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    Default Re: GA-EX85-UD5/i7 - 4GB of 6GB problem + differente story (and pictures)

    This memory is not compatible with BIOS F7, please use F9c or F10d. Yes it will work, but it will not run stock clocks at high Bclk so it may also cause others issues as well. Not this in particular, but I do suggest one of those two BIOS as I just did a review on this kit (Link in my signature) and I had to wait for a compatible BIOS as F9b and below were not compatible at all.
    Hmm, I'm a UD5 user since it was released, and since the first BIOS I never had any problem with this Mushkins. And the F7 BIOS was the one I used most (and the one I liked most), never had any issues with stock or overclocking profiles (already used 4.0ghz). Whether using 1600mhz at 7-8-7-20 1.58v, or 1400mhz at 7-7-7-19 1.56v (or 1.54v). I saw your review, maybe the problem is that you used the UD4P?

    Ahh, Hmm do you have any other images of it then? I would like to see one straight down onto it if you have one
    Of the damage. I would need to remove the cooler to get another one. I took 4/5, those two I posted gave the better results.

    I suggest IOH 1.2-1.24, check my review out I posted several settings tables for various speeds

    Ok, I can try...

    Windows sees 4GB? As in windows task manager performance tab like I asked? If so then yes, the channel is damaged or settings are incorrect. Likely damage if you did not see this before you damaged the board. It does not matter what CPU-z, everest, ect says
    Yes... I mentioned the other 3rd part programs cause dozens (maybe hundreds) of users had the same exactly problem, but in their case (most at least) were a configuration problem... You know since you helped many.

    Ya, buddy sorry to have to lay it on you but these things happen. Even to the best of us, so don't feel bad. I have done it myself with water cooling bolts, not for a few years but just letting you know it happens to us all.
    Ya... Worst when happens with a $330 board... (This price when I bought it 8 months ago).

    You may still be able to use 6GB fully, but triple channel will not work if the first white slots is broke. I have not tested, but you may be able to use slots 3/5 white and one of the blue slots to make use of all 6GB. Not sure though?
    Yes, as I posted above, I can use 6GB in Dual channel, I'm using it right now. You just need to populate the DDR3_3, DDR3_4 and DDR3_5.

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    Default Re: GA-EX85-UD5/i7 - 4GB of 6GB problem + differente story (and pictures)

    Sorry about that!!!

    Either way, same applies only different BIOS versions for UD5. The issue was with Mushkin 998679 using older non compatible BIOS would not boot stock timings 787-20 at Bclk of 175+ (Such as 200 Blck x 8 ram multi), this was only corrected in new BIOS after they were sent some kits for testing by Mushkin. For UD5 the BIOS that was made to be compatible (And onwards) is F8d. Any BIOS before F8e would not be able to boot at high bclk's with 787-20 timings.

    Are you sure about 4Ghz and 787-20 timings, what Blck was this? I used UD4P for the review, but have UD5 here as well and it had the same issues until BIOS F8e after Mushkin sent them some memory. I could run 1600Mhz at stock timings no problem, just not at high Bclk's

    $330 board, where do you shop? Or do you just mean this because you bought it a while ago? I think they are 250-280 now
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    Either way, same applies only different BIOS versions for UD5. The issue was with Mushkin 998679 using older non compatible BIOS would not boot stock timings 787-20 at Bclk of 175+ (Such as 200 Blck x 8 ram multi), this was only corrected in new BIOS after they were sent some kits for testing by Mushkin. For UD5 the BIOS that was made to be compatible (And onwards) is F8d. Any BIOS before F8e would not be able to boot at high bclk's with 787-20 timings.
    Are you sure about 4Ghz and 787-20 timings, what Blck was this? I used UD4P for the review, but have UD5 here as well and it had the same issues until BIOS F8e after Mushkin sent them some memory. I could run 1600Mhz at stock timings no problem, just not at high Bclk's

    Except the fact that I made a dump mistake damaging this trace, I'm kinda a advance tweaker, and I can assure, I've used 200 Bclk with 7-8-7-20 @ 1.58v/1.6v. And I used this configuration with BIOS F7. P.S Without turbo function, 200x20.

    $330 board, where do you shop? Or do you just mean this because you bought it a while ago? I think they are 250-280 now
    Like I said in the previous post, I bought it months ago, to be more precise in January, in performancepcs.com

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    Default Re: GA-EX85-UD5/i7 - 4GB of 6GB problem + differente story (and pictures)

    You very well may be correct as I only quickly tested on UD5, but I know Mushkin also said they tested UD5 and saw the same issues I mention until they sent off sticks for testing and compatibility fixes.

    I guess maybe they overprice things then? I have only bought mod items from there, never hardware like boards. Seems high to me, but maybe not? I was thinking the UD5 was always under 300, but I guess I am not always right :)

    So do you plan to try conductive ink on the trace?

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    Yeah, it was expensive in time, was just after the release. The Extreme was $30 higher I guess, or $20.

    About the BIOS... You keep saying to get F9c or F10d... But man, those are UD4 BIOS, no? For UD5 the F9e is the last BIOS: http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Support/...2961#anchor_os


    So do you plan to try conductive ink on the trace?
    I've read in a forum a electronic technician saying that using conductive ink would be risky/danger, because the trail can be multi layered. What you think about that (maybe he wanted to gain some $ doing the service, hehe).

    I just receive the answer of gigabyte about the damage, unfortunately was a generic answer : /...

    So, do you think using silver conductive ink would be risky?

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    By the way, about the F9e bios. Did you notice this values in F9e?
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[700mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [700mV]

    But all BIOS that I've seen till the F9e configured those values as 800mv/900mv, respectively.

    Whats the best?
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    Default Re: GA-EX85-UD5/i7 - 4GB of 6GB problem + differente story (and pictures)

    Sorry about the BIOS names, I did correct myself in my previous post though, F8e onwards for UD5 has the fix so yes F9e would be fine. Sorry to have been confused and mention the wrong BIOS info for you.

    Well yes, the layers can be multiple but normally this would only be the one upper layer and that is likely all you damaged. Only way to know would be to tape it off and try to correct it. Either way it is broken already, as long as you do not connect it to something else you can't really make it much worse than broken.

    I do not think it is too risky really, as long as you tape it off and try a very fine line

    About those clock drives, unless something has changed in the UD5 BIOS that is incorrect and should only appear if you load Fail Safe BIOS settings. I can check this for you if you like, but it should be automatically set properly if you load optimized defaults.

    Let me know if you need me to check the BIOS, I can test and see.

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    Yes, I thought so... He wants to gain some $ ' probably.

    I will buy Silver conductive ink, clean the area till the cooper appears, and apply with a path of tapes. Most people thinks that Gold conducts better and provides less resistance, but they are wrong, the Silver is better: Silver > Gold > Copper (besides the fact that silver do not oxidize).

    And other better technician already explained that it no matter if its multi layered, all layers only conducts electricity, so it can be used the ink normally.

    I will buy tomorrow and let you know after I apply it!

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    About the clock drives;

    Yeah man, the F9e changed both to 700mV (the default).

    And the F7 and previous always set it to:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]

    Whats the better spec?

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    I hope the silver paint works. From the looks of the damage, you're down to the fibrous part of the PCB. If all else fails, you may have to do some major fine soldering. There are also electrically conductive glues availible which may alow you to glue a piece of wire to bridge the gap. If not, heating the damaged area of the board (the "fury bit) with something ~120-150x should melt it enough to smooth it out.

    I'll leave it to your judgement as to what's best, as you know your own capabilities better than I do. Good luck with it, let us know what happens.

    As for Clock drive, you may have forgotten to load Optimised Defaults after flashing to F9e. This is very important to do, as although there are options in Qflash to clear data and load defaults stc, they don't do the trick. Give Load Optimised Defaults a go, and if clock drive is still at 700mv each, it's maybe a BIOS bug and should be safe then to change to 800mv/900mv respectively.

    EDIT*** I'd be interested in a cut and paste of Gigabytes answer, as sometimes their answers can be rather funny and amusing in a half-English-Half-Taiwaneese- not-got-a-clue kind of way.
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    i think youve done what ive done,i also could only see 4gb in bios but in windows couldsee 6 and in cpu-z but only 4 in everest,i think having to press down hard on the motherboard installing my akasa nero cooler with pushpins upset the number 1 ram slot,i swapped another ram module into the slot and nothing...so i wiggled it slightly and powered up and it booted with one stick in slot 1,but it blew two ram modules before i fixed it so im waiting on some rma'd ram maybe youve done the same but be carefull as it blew 2 sticks of my ram
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    also why have they removed c1e option in latest ud5 bios?
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