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    Default Re: Help me Wipeout Intel SSD with HDDerase

    Guess i lucked out with the firmware update. Nothing died over here . However the first time i tried running the update it did not recognize the drive as an intel. Ran it again and went fine.
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    I had that issue too. For me (updating from FW8600) moing the DVD drive to the Intel ICH10R solved the problem.

    I really think they should implement TRIM for my drive too. In fact G1's need it a bot more as far as random IOPs go. My random 4K's nearly half to 27+MB/s when the drive is "dirty". On a G2 without TRIM they stay constantly at 40MB/s.
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    Default Re: Help me Wipeout Intel SSD with HDDerase

    Hi, I've been going over the read me that's included on the HHDErase zipfile as well as Psycho101's guide. A couple of things I don't understand (sorry noob alert):

    a) .."make sure the jumpers on the HDD are correctly configured. Avoid setting the jumpers to CS (cable select) on the HDD. Master or Slave jumpers is preferred.

    What does this mean, and do I need to worry about it?

    b) From Psycho's guide: "set all ports to legacy IDE".

    I'm actually on an Asus board and in the storage configuration in the bios it lists all my ports the following way:

    SATA 1 (Intel SSD G2)
    SATA 2 Not detected
    SATA 3 (Pioneer DVD-RW)
    SATA 4 Not detected
    SATA 5 Not detected
    SATA 6 Not detected

    Then in the sub menu for each port it reads:

    LBA / Large Mode auto (or disabled)
    Block (Multisector transfer) M auto (or disabled)
    PIO Mode auto (or disabled)
    DMA Mode auto (or disabled)
    Smart Monitoring auto (or disabled)
    32 bit transfer enabled

    I don't see anything for legacy IDE or anything about native.

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    Don't worry about jumpers for a SSD or a SATA HDD. The jumpers referred to are for setting Master and Slave configurations on IDE drives. In this case the IDE drive on the end of the cable is the Master and the other drive the Slave. Jumpers are set accordingly.

    The only SSD's that have jumpers are certain older revisions of Indilinx drives which needed a jumper on two pins before you could flash the firmware.

    You may be looking in the wrong place for the Legacy IDE mode settings. Does the motherboard have a RAID capable SouthBridge? AHCI should be in a menu that switches all Intel SATA ports between IDE, AHCI and RAID.
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    Default Re: Help me Wipeout Intel SSD with HDDerase

    Yes, I think so, beneath the listing of the SATA ports (1-6) it says:

    Storage Configuration (disabled, enhanced or compatible)

    I have it on enhanced.

    Below that it says:

    Configure SATA as (IDE, RAID, or AHCI)

    (I have this on IDE. In fact, my system currently won't boot into Win 7 unless I have it set to IDE . I think this is because when I installed my new OS a few days ago, I didn't set it to AHCI beforehand).

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    That's right. You need to keep it on IDE while you use HDDErase. Also set "Compatible", that sounds like the Legacy setting, which is what you need. You'll soon know if it's wrong, because HDDErase won't see your Intel drive.

    I'd recommend strongly that you enable AHCI before doing a fresh install of Windows 7. It increases performance on an Intel drive by a good 10% at least, especially in smaller chunk size transfers.

    Run CrystalDiskMark now (in IDE mode) and take a screenshot. Compare it to another bench run after the fresh install with AHCI enabled and you'll see the difference.
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    Default Re: Help me Wipeout Intel SSD with HDDerase

    Just to follow up on the HDDErase I did with the new Intel G2 SSD. I wiped the drive with no problem (actually, the only problem was my BIOS chip (Asus P5Q-EM) had a lockout on it, but the HHDErase was able to over-ride this with a re-try). It was amazingly fast...only a few seconds after hanging before erasing for about 20 sec). I had reset the storage configuration in the BIOS to AHCI from IDE. After re-installing Win 7 64-bit, I benched the Intel SSD using ChrystalDiskMark 3.0 Beta. These scores are all without the new Intel TRIM firmware update, which I may or may not get in the future.

    I benched with 50 mb and 100 mg tests:

    Before with IDE mode (50mb):


    After with AHCI mode (50mb):


    Before with IDE mode (100 mb):


    After with AHCI mode (100 mb):


    So, the AHCI does improve performance, not sure if it's a full 10%, but definitely an improvement. One thing that's very noticable about these results is the 4K QD32 read scores, going from 21 to 151. I don't know what this means, but maybe psycho can explain.

    Anyway, thanks very much psycho for all your help.

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    Excellent results there for IDE vs AHCI. The Intel drive definitely benefits extremely well from the NCQ functionality that it offers the drive. You are correct that not all users will see 10% but rather somewhere within the range of 4-10% depending on a number of factors including OS, chipset etc. Bizzarly enough, I have gotten my best benches in AHCI mode using XP, don't know why, maybe the drivers are slightly better suited to the X25-M etc.

    The 4K QD32 catagory (new I believe in the beta CDM) is a queued IO test. This is similar to Atto's queue depth which defaults to 4 but can be set to 10. It simulates simultanious IO requests to analyse how well the disk and controller cope. Here, NCQ will allow the disk to retrieve the requested data in the most efficient way possible, which is why the gains are good. This option is similar to AS SSD's 64 Thread test.
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    Default Re: Help me Wipeout Intel SSD with HDDerase

    I decided to go ahead and get the latest TRIM firmware update for the Intel XM-25 SSD G2 160 gb (firmware no. 2CV102HD). Then downloaded the Intel SSD Toolbox and ran the optimizer.

    Just for giggles I benched with the AS SSD test:



    Not owning the G1 Intel SSD, I don't know how these results would compare to the G1, but I suspected the Intel Toolbox optimizer might help speeds a little bit for my G2, especially the write speeds, (at least according to everything I've read). So I re-did the ChrystaDiskMark test after running the Intel Toolbox optimizer. I was right, the 50 mb test showed write speeds on my Intel SSD 160 gb had improved across the board after running the Intel Toolbox optimizer:



    Sequential Reads were down a few points, but this could be a test variation result.


    Thanks again to psycho101 for patiently explaining the HDDerase process (and BIOS settings) in plain English, and for answering my newbie questions about SSD flash blocks.
    Last edited by Akrasia; 12-28-2009 at 04:21 AM.

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    Glad to help.

    Your increase in write speeds will be more to do with the FW update than the SSD Optimizer. The 160GB version got a boost from a rated 80MB/s write to an official 100MB/s write (sequential). This will also have a knock on effect on the random test results.

    Strange as it sounds, the G1 would actually benefit more from the optimizer if it were able to be run. G2 performance drops very little after all flash blocks are filled. A clean G2 will pull ~40MB/s random 4k compared to a "dirty state rate of ~37-38MB/s. The G1 drops from 45MB/s clean to ~28MB/s dirty, which is quite a drop. Due to the way the Intel controller works, having dirty flash does not effect sequential write by much, you should still hit 95-100MB/s, even my G1 stays at 75MB/s (rated officially at 70MB/s). The write speeds of the X25-M's are artificially limited, in part to increase performance deficits between the M and E versions and partly to avoid any drop in speed as the drive is used. The 160GB FW update simply allows the controller to take advantage of 40 Flash IC's. The 80GB only has 20 x 4GB IC's, which is the limiting factor. They could have increased speed, but that would have tailed off dramatically with use, as certain Indilinx owners will experience.

    To test the effects, if it interests you, you can use IOMeter to create a test file the same size as all the free space, cancell IOMeter then delete the file. Now test with AS SSD or Crystal (A SSD consistently shows lower numbers) and then run the SSD Optimizer and re-run the bench. An Atto run may also be useful. Many companies use Atto to bench and obtain their quoted transfer speeds because it often gives much more favourable results. I've seen on my X25-M, read speeds of over 280MB/s, which is nigh on impossible given that SATA 300 can't transfer at 300MB/s due to IO overhead.
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