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    Default Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    Can any one advise me on this?
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    I’ve just installed Win7 and I need to back it up to an external HDD. When I was using WinXP, I could use Norton Ghost and create an image about 2.1GB in size. This would fit easily on a DVD.
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    Now, under Win7 my backup image is 14.8GB. To big to store on DVD, so I have to store it somewhere else off my computer. I know the easiest way is to buy an external HDD, but all I can see is High Speed USB 2.0 devices (why do they refer to USB 2.0 as high speed?). Anyway I though of going down the eSATA external drive path.
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    I know I’d have to buy an enclosure and a hard drive (Sansung Spinpoint F3) and some cables. What I’d like to know is, does my GA-P35C-DS3R (rev. 1.x) support eSATA? There’s nothing in the manual and nothing on the Gigabyte website.<o:p></o:p>
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    Can any one help and advise me?<o:p></o:p>
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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    Your motherboard should have shipped with an expansion slot mountable eSATA bracket. Here's the installation instructions found in the motherboard manual.

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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    Hi,

    The eSata port on your computer case (or bracket) usually just has an extension cable going into a regular SATA port on the mobo.
    Your mobo should see the esata hdd just fine, and will detect it as being an internal HDD on SATA port #...

    With windows 7, I would use the integrated complete PC backup solution.
    It allows you to create an image of an entire partition or hdd on several DVD's or any other partition/drive connected to your PC (big enough to fit the image you are backing up.)

    So once you get your esata drive, just backup the image in windows.
    to Restore: Boot with Win7 DVD -> repair computer -> Restore using complete system image.... 10 minutes later, you're done.

    p.s. I think this works with USB HDD's as well, and another way to go is to create a partition on your existing internal Hdd (around 20-25 gigs), and backup to that. Not great if your drive dies though....
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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    If your board didn't come with a bracket, they are available at scan.co.uk quite cheaply. As long as you're using an enclosure with its own power source, this one will work:

    Akasa ESATA-45-EX Internal SATA to External ESATA PCI backplate adaptor - Scan.co.uk

    You'll also need a SATA to ESATA cable:

    1.5m Scan Blue SATA2 to eSATA External Cable RB-471 - Scan.co.uk

    It would also be perfectly OK if you were to install the second HDD into your PC and use the internal connectors etc. Only problem there is in case of a power surge, it may fry both your system drive and your backup drive.

    Both Ghost and Acronis True Image should support splitting the backup image into DVD size chunks. You can then either write directly to DVD or copy the resulting archive files to DVD manually. When restoring, it will ask you to insert each DVD when it's done reading the previous one.

    You may have to either update to a newer version of Ghost, or, my recommendation, get a copy of Acronis True Image Home 2010. True Image is around £30-£40, depending where you shop.

    The built in Windows Backup program will also create a restore image for you, and will include all partitions needed to completely restore your OS. This also includes the System Reserved partition and the MBR. It's a pretty basic program however, and provides no support for making incremental backups and other advanced features like being able to choose between file copy and sector-by -sector etc. It will split the back up over several DVD's for you. To restore the HDD you imaged, Windows will prompt you to create a recovery disc after the backup. Boot from this and follow the steps to restore from a backup image.

    For a more robust free alternative, try Macrium Reflect Free Edition: Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download . Again, it does pretty much the same, but unlike Win 7's built in version, allows you to use compression.
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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    If you have and old IDE HDD that is at least 200GB, I know from the past four years that it will suffice. But you will need to replace any existing IDE DVD-R/RW drive(s) with a SATA DVD-R/RW drive, so that you don't have both an IDE HDD and an IDE DVD-R/RW drive on a single IDE channel. But a SATA DVD-R/RW drive, only costs $29.

    Also Note:

    With the enormousness size of Image backups with Vista and Win7, compared the itty bitty WinXP Image backups, you should absolutely take advantage of incremental backup Images. For example, if you make a 15 gig backup, and in two to three weeks an incremental backup, the incremental backup might be as small as 4 to 8 gigs.

    And of course, partitioning drive(s) and separating basic applications and games, from your Operating System, is a must.

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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    Quote Originally Posted by C3D76 View Post
    The eSata port on your computer case (or bracket) usually just has an extension cable going into a regular SATA port on the mobo.
    Your mobo should see the esata hdd just fine, and will detect it as being an internal HDD on SATA port #...
    Wouldn't be so definitive about it, there are certain different voltage requirments for eSATA.
    Serial ATA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    Organising the drive into smaller manageable partitions by content is a good idea. Do note however that if you separate OS and programs, and restore an older OS partition image, from a time when you didn't have those programs installed, the restored OS will lack the programs registry settings and application data etc.

    Some applications are pretty autonomous, ie will continue working without any registry settings (created by the apps installer), but others will fall over. The ones that fall over will need to be completely re-installed, unless you have a backup copy of a more recent registry.

    What I would do, and it's only a suggestion, everyone has there own way they like to do stuff, is to create two images. The first should be just a plain old Windows and all up to date drivers and Windows Updates. This can be written to DVD and kept somewhere, maybe with your OS, along with the apropriate bootable disc to use to restore the image (if not using Windows built in tool. If you ever want to start from scratch and re-vamp your PC, this means you can do so in ~3-4 minutes rather than the ~30 minutes it takes to actually install Windows afresh

    The second image should be of OS and programs (everything you need such as office apps, little things like Acrobat reader, DVD burning software, basically every program you use regularly on your machine) on one partition and data on another. This can be incrementally updated rather than having to create whole new images, but only if using a 3rd party app, not with the Win 7 utility.

    You can also create a separate partition for any games you play if you wish, rather than install them with your programs. I recommend personally against backing this partition up in its entirety, as the games you play may vary depending on when you finish them/get bored with them. I do a fair bit of shuffling games around, eg moving to my mechanical drive after I complete them.

    To make sure your game saves are preserved, you can add the folders to the incremental backup of your OS and data partitions. Some saves are stored on C:\, and if playing a Games For Windows Live title via an offline profile, the "xlive" folder also needs backing up. I recommend backing up "xlive" any way. C:\Documents and settings\<User Name>\My Documents\ is usually where the saves are located in most games sold in the last few years. For some stupid reason, although Vista/Win 7 has a Saved Games folder at C:\Documents and settings\<User Name>\ virtually no retail video game uses the file (I've never seen one put its saves there!). Older games will sometimes store saves in the actual installation directory.
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    Default Re: Can I use eSATA drives with my motherboard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    Wouldn't be so definitive about it, there are certain different voltage requirments for eSATA.
    Serial ATA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    If using a "Power over SATA enabled device, then sure. However, the SATA brackets discussed here are not power enabled. The bracket in the picture has a molex pass through. The one I posted assumes that the HDD enclosure has its own power supply.

    Using a normal Desktop HDD in a caddy, as the OP wants to do, means that there doesn't need to be any thought given to ESATA power specs. Either the drive is being powered by the enclosure it's in, or by a molex to SATA power cord connected to the PC's PSU. All that the OP will really be doing is using extension leads to enable plugging a normal SATA drive in, without having to open the case. The ame result ofc is achieved by opening the case and plugging the drive in, then unplugging and closing the case afterward. At no point does one need to consider power supply requirements.

    If you are referring to transmit/receive potential, this has been altered to help cut interferance, as the ESATA cable is more exposed to other devices than the SATA cables internally.

    The information you posted would IMO only really apply if using native ESATA ports hard wired to a motherboard. For this application, as said, the OP is merely extending internal SATA ports.
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    <o:p> </o:p>
    I already have two hard drives in my computer. I told that I should store backup images externally, just in case. Up to now I’ve been using Norton Ghost 14. Unfortunately, Ghost 14 is not compatible with Windows 7. I understand that Ghost 15 will be, but there is no release date as yet. I’ve been in contact with Norton regarding Ghost 15, but all they will say is “it will be done when it done”.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Thanks for the link to “Macrium Reflect”. I’m downloading it now.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Not sure about incremental backups. The backup utility built into 7 does just that. I suppose I’ll have to get use to it until Ghost 15 comes along. I usually like to restore from a Ghost image and copy over my existing installation, completely.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    I’m glad I’m not the only one aware of the size of 7. Without all my software, the basic installation was over 12GB.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Thanks once again to you all for replying.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Can any one recommend an enclosure for a Samsung F3 1TB HDD?
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Cheers,
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Jessica
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    <o:p> </o:p>
    I already have two hard drives in my computer. I told that I should store backup images externally, just in case. Up to now I’ve been using Norton Ghost 14. Unfortunately, Ghost 14 is not compatible with Windows 7. I understand that Ghost 15 will be, but there is no release date as yet. I’ve been in contact with Norton regarding Ghost 15, but all they will say is “it will be done when it done”.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Thanks for the link to “Macrium Reflect”. I’m downloading it now.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Not sure about incremental backups. The backup utility built into 7 does just that. I suppose I’ll have to get use to it until Ghost 15 comes along. I usually like to restore from a Ghost image and copy over my existing installation, completely.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    I’m glad I’m not the only one aware of the size of 7. Without all my software, the basic installation was over 12GB.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Thanks once again to you all for replying.
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Can any one recommend an enclosure for a Samsung F3 1TB HDD?
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Cheers,
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Jessica

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    > Physical Memory :
    >>>Original RAM (2011-01) : G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Model F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ
    >>>Upgrade RAM (2012-01) : Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) w/FrostByte Heatsink Model 998990 (NE Link MPP Link OverClockersClub Dot Com Article)
    > Video Card :
    >>>Original Vid Card (2011-01) : BFG Geforce GTX295 (
    NE Link)
    >>>Upgrade Vid Card(2012-01) : (2) EVGA 02G-P3-1568-KR GTX 560 Ti (2GB)-SLI (
    NE Link)
    >>>Upgrade Vid Card(2013-07) : (2) GTX 760-SLI Gigabyte GV-N760OC-4GB (NE Link)
    > DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B ATA Device
    > Monitor :
    ViewSonic Pro Series VP2655wb Black 26" (
    NE Link)
    > Operating System : Windows 7 Ultimate
    > Case : COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel (
    NE Link)

    <<< LGA775 System Summary >>>
    > Power Supply: Corsair 620HX (
    NE Link)
    > Mainboard : Gigabyte P35-S3G (F2 BIOS)
    > Chipset : Intel P35
    > Processor : Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale (Revision C0) 3.0GHz @ 3950 MHz
    > HSF: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
    > Physical Memory : CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) (
    Link)
    > Video Card : BFG Geforce GTX295
    > DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B ATA Device
    >
    Monitor : ViewSonic Pro Series VP2655wb Black 26"
    > Operating System : Windows 7 Ultimate


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