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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Ok...hope this helps:

    Motherboard: EP45-DS3R: Rev#:A2 Bios Version:F11e
    Cpu: Intel Core 2 Quad 9450
    Ram: 8GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066, 8GB. Part Number:TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF (x2). link: Welcome to Corsair :: Dominator Product Information

    Power Supply Unit: Brand, Model#, Wattage: Corsair TX750 (750W)

    note: replace all ?? with the value displayed in your bios.
    ----> Replace "Auto" with manually set values.

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster -------------- : [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ---------------------- : [??] - Not showing in my BIOS
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ----------------- : [0.0] <-- ignore if not available
    CPU Frequency ---------------------: #### <-- this is set by your bios

    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control --------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------------: [425
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ---------- : [100] <--- Set to 100, never leave this on Auto

    C.I.A.2 ------------------------------ : [Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control ------- [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive ---------------------- : [800]
    PCI Express Clock Drive -------------- : [900]
    CPU Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [150]
    MCH Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [250]

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance ------------------- : [Standard] <--- set to STANDARD when overclocking
    Extreme Memory Profile --- (X.M.P.) --- : [Disabled] <--- Leave this Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch ---------------- : [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier -------------- : [2.4B] <-- this is the setting that you are using
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ---------------- : [1020]
    DRAM Timing Selectable ---------------- : [Manual] <-- set to MANUAL for overclocking

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time -------- ?? ---------- : [5]
    tRCD ------------------- ?? ---------- : [7]
    tRP --------------------- ?? ---------- : [7]
    tRAS ------------------- ?? ---------- : [24]

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD ------------------- ?? ---------- : [3]
    tWTR ------------------- ?? ---------- : [4]
    tWR --------------------- ?? ---------- : [4]
    tRFC ------------------- ?? ---------- : [55]
    tRTP ------------------- ?? ---------- : [4]
    Command Rate (CMD) -------------------- : [2] <--- Auto or 0 is OK

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength --------- : Press Enter <--- press ENTER to modify memory sub-timings when overclocking

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value --------------------- : [9]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto] <-- leave this and below set to AUTO
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value --------------------- : [9]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto] <-- leave this and below set to AUTO
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    Voltage Types------------ Normal -------- Current -----
    Load-Line Calibration ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore --------------- ?.????? ---- : [1.35]

    CPU Termination --------- ?.???V* ----- : [1.28]
    CPU PLL ----------------- ?.???V* ----- : [1.57]

    CPU Reference ----------- ?.???V* ----- : [Auto]
    CPU Reference2 ---------- ?.???V* ----- : [Auto]

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core ---------------- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH Reference ----------- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ ?.???V ------ : [Auto]
    ICH I/O ----------------- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]
    ICH Core ---------------- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ------------ ?.???V ------- : [2.18]
    DRAM Termination -------- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel A Reference ----- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel B Reference ----- ?.???V ------- : [Auto]

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 ------------------ : [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect -------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ---------------- : [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support ------------------- : [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) ------------ : [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function --------------------- : [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology -------------- : [Enabled]

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ------------- : [Disabled]

    I've also tried to attach some visuals of the voltages, VID, etc. I hope they're readable. Otherwise I can try to make them one at a time.
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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Try to borrow another psu to test with. Your 12 volt reading from the screen-shot shows 11.84 volts. While this is technically within spec (plus or minus 5%), when your system initially powers on, it's possible that the low 12 volt reading won't let your system post and boot properly.

    Please add a detailed hardware list of your system setup to your forum signature. This will make it much easier for us to quickly find hardware information that we need. Please include:

    1) List your system components in your signature.
    --> User CP tab (upper left corner of web page)
    --> select Edit Signature
    --> enter your hardware components (brand, model, etc.)
    --> include your bios version
    --> preview
    --> Save when complete
    Be sure to include your bios version, motherboard version, power supply, cpu heatsink/fan setup and the model numbers of all components.

    2) Link to your ram's full specifications.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Ok, signature added. Here's a link to the memory:

    http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/T...6-8500C5DF.pdf
    Last edited by mikeynavy1976; 11-04-2009 at 01:06 PM.
    Components:
    Motherboard: EP45-DS3R: Rev#:A2
    BIOS Version:F11e
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 9450 (@ 3.4GHz)
    Ram: 8GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066, 8500C5. Includes Corsair Fan
    Power Supply: Corsair TX750
    Video Card: XFX GeForce 8800GT Alpha Dog Edition (512MB)
    Sound Card: Soundblaster XFi PCI Express
    Cooling System: Zalman 9700
    Hard Drives: WD Velociraptor (300GB), WD Raptor (150GB)

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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    I put the timing to 5-5-5-18. Any other settings to change?
    Components:
    Motherboard: EP45-DS3R: Rev#:A2
    BIOS Version:F11e
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 9450 (@ 3.4GHz)
    Ram: 8GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066, 8500C5. Includes Corsair Fan
    Power Supply: Corsair TX750
    Video Card: XFX GeForce 8800GT Alpha Dog Edition (512MB)
    Sound Card: Soundblaster XFi PCI Express
    Cooling System: Zalman 9700
    Hard Drives: WD Velociraptor (300GB), WD Raptor (150GB)

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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Post a screen-shot that includes:

    Memset using the SPD and ">>" tabs
    cpu-z CPU and Mainboard screens (several instances can be run at the same time)
    EasyTune6 --> TUNER tab --> ADVANCE tab --> VOLTAGE tab (only the Voltage tab is needed)
    CoreTemp screen [for your cpu's VID (Voltage ID)]

    Links for these programs are in the Latest Overclocking Programs, System Info, Benchmarking, & Stability Tools thread.

    Place the various screen windows closer together and overlap some of them so that you can use a bit higher image resolution and still keep the file size reasonable and crop the unneeded areas of the screen. After we've seen your ET6 screen, we can better advise you on the optimal bios voltage settings.

    Some of the AUTO voltage settings should be set manually.
    Have you done any extended stress testing with Prime95 or OCCT for 8 - 10 hours or more?

    With 8GB of ram, Static tRead Value (tRD) = 8 will probably work at 420MHz. tRD = 7 is often stable up to about 420MHz with 2x2GB of ram.

    Save your current bios settings as a bios profile before your make additional bios tweaks.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Ok,

    I believe I've attached the items you asked for. I also called Corsair and they don't believe that the power supply is the issue. I know they would say that, but he explained that the motherboard is regulating the voltage, and that if my voltages aren't fluctuating (which they aren't), that he doubts it is the power supply (although he didn't rule it out). He also said that my 11.84V is plenty, even at startup. Also, in the past I've tried increasing the MCH, but anything other than "Auto" and my computer won't boot. Granted, that was with a previous BIOS. I'm wondering now if it is just the fact that I don't have a high end motherboard. Any advice to make my computer more stable at bootup would be great. I ran Prime95 a while back for 6 hours and it passed. I've also run Memtest and it passed.
    Components:
    Motherboard: EP45-DS3R: Rev#:A2
    BIOS Version:F11e
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 9450 (@ 3.4GHz)
    Ram: 8GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066, 8500C5. Includes Corsair Fan
    Power Supply: Corsair TX750
    Video Card: XFX GeForce 8800GT Alpha Dog Edition (512MB)
    Sound Card: Soundblaster XFi PCI Express
    Cooling System: Zalman 9700
    Hard Drives: WD Velociraptor (300GB), WD Raptor (150GB)

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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Here are several things to try, one at a time:

    1. See if running with only 2x2GB of memory makes a difference when booting.
    2. Set Static tRead Value (tRD or Performance Level in Memset) = 9 or 8 for both memory channels.
    3. With 8GB of memory, increase tRFC to 68, lower might be possible.
    4. With 8GB of memory, MCH Core = 1.28 - 1.32 is often needed.
    5. Try lowering DRAM Voltage to 2.12 - 2.14. More is not always better.
    6. Cpu Termination (VTT) might be a bit too high, even though your system is 6 hour prime stable.
    7. Lower Cpu Host Frequency to 415 - 420MHz and re-test.
    8. Using the 2.00B Memory Multiplier with tighter primary memory timings might help.
    9. Can you borrow another psu to test with?
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    I don't have another power supply to test with at the moment. The tRead is already at 8 for both channels. I'll see if maybe this BIOS will let me increase the MCH now, but I doubt it. The DRAM voltage is set at 2.18 but it is really 2.14 (this board has a lot of Vdroop). I had to set it this high to pass Memtest, if I recall correctly. Almost all of the voltages are actually 0.04 - 0.05 lower than their settings. I'll increase the tRFC as well.
    Components:
    Motherboard: EP45-DS3R: Rev#:A2
    BIOS Version:F11e
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 9450 (@ 3.4GHz)
    Ram: 8GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066, 8500C5. Includes Corsair Fan
    Power Supply: Corsair TX750
    Video Card: XFX GeForce 8800GT Alpha Dog Edition (512MB)
    Sound Card: Soundblaster XFi PCI Express
    Cooling System: Zalman 9700
    Hard Drives: WD Velociraptor (300GB), WD Raptor (150GB)

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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Don't mean to jump in on you Yoda but I for one would get rid of these if not really, really needed:

    CPU Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [150] <--0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [250] <--0ps

    Also taking alot of setting out of auto as in his last template...use the force yoda you know what they are...lol

    Again I am just going by his last posted template as I have not read this thread...

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    Default Re: Boot Issues

    Ok...trfc increased to 65. MCH Core is at 1.30 (in the BIOS...not sure what it actually is), and computer booted. Maybe that was a fix with this F11e BIOS. As for the CPU and MCH clock skew...I can't remember, but someone a long time ago was recommending that. I'm not even quite sure what they do. I'll post again if I have a boot problem again.
    Components:
    Motherboard: EP45-DS3R: Rev#:A2
    BIOS Version:F11e
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 9450 (@ 3.4GHz)
    Ram: 8GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066, 8500C5. Includes Corsair Fan
    Power Supply: Corsair TX750
    Video Card: XFX GeForce 8800GT Alpha Dog Edition (512MB)
    Sound Card: Soundblaster XFi PCI Express
    Cooling System: Zalman 9700
    Hard Drives: WD Velociraptor (300GB), WD Raptor (150GB)

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