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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Do I ever learn???

    The mATX standard is the answer. The board size is standardized to fit in small form chassis. Same reason my server boards are 13 x 12. Real estate on the board is laid out for each component placement. I took courses in VLSI motherboard design for EE. The trace layout is standard for most boards.

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    Micro ATX is much smaller than 1/2" less.

    GA-MA790X-UD4P is definitely a near full size ATX board with 2 full size PCIE, 3 PCIE 1x and two PCI. A micro ATX would have something like asingle PCIE x16, one or two PCIE X1 and a couple of PCIE if you're lucky. The M-ATX NVidia 7100 based PC I'm building for my Parents as a HTPC has this layout. the size difference is somewhat dramatic.

    This MATX is 9.6"x9.6". Some go as small as 6.75"x6.75" and still fit the MATX mountings (with less screws). Compare this to the ATX which is officially 12"x9.6". The GA-MA790X-UD4P is stated as measuring 30.5cm x 23.3 cm or 12"x9.2" which explains the slight (almost 1/2") size difference.
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    Default Re: Do I ever learn???

    Standard ATX can vary in size. Not much is stored at the end of board in a design other than usually drive ports and IO ports. Memory is usually in further. The perimeter holes are standardized.

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    Holes are all standardized yes. What Old Geek was saying was that there is 0.5inch missing off his board meaning some screw holes are also missing. Obviously the board will still fit in the case.

    Just saying that it's not because the board is mATX as you suggested. Manufacturers are free to vary size a little as long as everything still fits. the most common reason it to use the least amount of materials possible. If 1/2 inch is cut from each board along the longest (12") length, then for every 19.2 boards that the manufacturer produces, they can make another one from the PCB material saved. Simple cost cutting or to be more accurate clever budgeting.

    Edit, the Perimeter holes aren't necessarily standardized. If there is 1/2" and a couple of screw holes missing then that is proof positive. All that's required if they cut a board short is that any remaining screw holes line up with the mounting points.
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    I knew it couldn't be a mATX, just something new I first saw in the ASUS P5Q Turbo. Now Gigabyte has adopted the same variation. I'm good with the explaination.

    Now, anyone know a CPU cooler that will fit? The Xigmatek isn't going to get 'er done. Damn Mushkins, even though their much smaller still have the top of the spreader that hits on the Xigmatek. Why in tarnation didn't they just move the memory slots just a tad away from the CPU?

    Trouble is, unlike the old days, it is hard for me to get to Fry's to actually see exactly how parts will fit together. Sure hope their stock cooler will work for awhile or I'm SOL. This is turning out to be a poorly designed board. The memory slots are on top of each other and you have to use adjacent slots plus they're way close to the CPU...WTH?

    If I could just turn the plastic cooler mount 90 degrees, all would be solved...but that's not how it is designed. Anyone want some Muskins cheap?

    Just got my head out of the manual. Although not recommended, I can use the outer two slots until I can work something out.
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    Try ordering Kingston or Crucial RAM without spreaders. I get the retail CPUs with factory HSF. They bolt through the Supermicro Server Board directly to the chassis.

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    Do the outer two slots still give you dual channel? If so I'd say you'll be good with them there for ever really. You will be stability testing when you OC, and you've done that thoroughly and with good results before, so as long as the tests pass, you're fine.

    Do a Prime at stock over night to confirm without variables that the outer two slots are sound.
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    Me thinks you ask much SCSIraidGURU... While I do have good surge protectors, they are not in the class with Tripp Lite. Have to wait for my next lottery win for those. As to cooling. The case has 3x120mm fans (exhaust-back top) and 2x200mm fans. One at the side blowing on the memory and SB. The other 200MM blows right on the HDDs. In the Sniper case, the HDDs are spaced like I'd like to see the slots for the memory...nearly an inch apart. All that said, add the Xigmatek RS-1283 w/ its 120mm fan and the Sapphire video's fan and there is a good amount of air motion.

    Now the down side. You indicate this should be run in a cool room. Six months of the year, that just ain't gonna' happen. I live in the middle of the Sonora Desert. If I am able to afford the $240/mo electric bill for the air conditioner, then I'm damn lucky to get the house down to 79F. I'm moving, but not for at least 2 years. So I compute with all the curtains closed and put the computer on the floor. It all helps. Also light my desk with flourescent lights.

    Last point, the listing of acceptable RAM sticks really sucks. They're either 1GB or 512MB sticks or they're names I've never heard of. My best bet seems to be a G.SKILL FS-8500CL5D-4GBPK DDR2-1066 for $99.99 at newegg. 5-5-5-15 at 2.0-2.1V. That seems reasonable. These are on Gigabyte's list. Never owned G.SKILL. Thoughts?
    Last edited by OldGeek; 11-19-2009 at 02:36 AM.


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    15A 1800W Tripp Lite unit is $150. They last 5-7 years. It provides clean power. 90% of issues with RAM are power related. Spikes and sags can kill RAM. I have not had any power issues using Tripp Lite and PC Power and Cooling. Is it worth the money to not have issues?

    I have the same problem in Michigan. My room can be 100F or higher with 90+ % humidity or below 60F in the winter. best solution is leave the computer off when not in use. My workstations at home are off when I am at work. I use a 10,000 BTU window A/C to cool the room. In the winter, I use a space heater to get the room temp around the computer to 70F before turning it on.

    I use Kingston, Samsung and Crucial. One of them usually has RAM that is tested with a board. I don't overclock. I use what is recommended. G.Skill is decent RAM. It is best to use all matched identical sticks. Kingston and Crucial have RAM for most boards that will work. They have excellent support to help you.

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    Not having any issues with the performance of the sticks...at all. Funny you have to worry about 90% humidity. I have to worry about 4% humidity. Fry's has the Tripp Lites and they will be added when I can. That time would not be now.

    I picked the G.Skill as it had the best numbers/price. But even these will have to wait until at least January or February. The money tree was not planted in my yard. There are some naked Mushkins that would work, but I'm a bit freaked in this day and age about naked ram...i.e. no cooling mechanism like heat spreaders. Maybe a rhetorical question, but if Gigabyte almost forces you to run naked sticks, are the attempts at cooling really worth it?


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