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  1. #31
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    Default Re: Do I ever learn???

    I don't worry about heat spreaders. I have adequate chassis fans to cool the RAM and components. The problem with heat spreaders are the board memory slots are too close together to allow proper spacing for heat spreaders to work properly. You can end up trapping more heat between modules.

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    There's no way on earth that 90% of RAM problems are related to power. No chance. The majority of homes should have a perfectly adequate mains supply. Even if the voltage is a little low, the PSU will compensate for it. Many reviews (as well as the manufacturers themselves) test with "dirty power, in the case of the US, they test with 110V (standard) and 100V. The only harm it causes is to the efficiency of the PSU, which dips a few % at the lower voltage. Same in Europe, except they test with 230V and 200V. Unless you live in the third world, there should be no significant voltage ripple, spikes surges or gray-outs.

    Remember that by saying 90% of RAM issues are because of power means 9 out of 10. Would it be true that 9 out of 10 people here who have RAM problems are having so because of their electricity supply? I've posted in many many threads and it's never been the case yet. Dodgy power supply, maybe , rarely, but never anything to do with mains power.

    RAM compatibility lists are false prophets. They promise a comprehensive guide to what RAM works, but they never get updated, don't take into account for discontinued lines and also the fact that manufacturers quite often alter the RAM IC's or PCB design and still use the same model number. For instance, you could buy a set of XMS2, then get another lot 5 months down the road. One could be version 4.1, then newer could be something like v5. Basically a totally different product. this is less common with ECC RAM as it's a specialist product where consistency is important, coupled with the fact that it doesn't sell in the same kind of numbers to general consumers, meaning one production run every so often is usually enough.

    Having heat spreader issues is rare. There aren't many products that cause issues. When they do occur, it's not really anything to do with Gigabyte. The RAM makers know the ATX specs and the average spacing between slots, and should either make the spreaders to match or warn you about them. Same goes for HSF manufacturers. They can choose the height of the cooler to a certain extent. Who's to blame? No body is conclusively, it's a "Chicken and the egg" thing.

    Unless you live in a war-zone or the third world a surge protector is more than sufficient to protect your equipment from the events most likely to occur in your area. If you know your mains is dodgy in some way then sure, a power conditioner, UPS etc may be needed. For most it's over kill, especially on a standard desktop. Backup, unplug at night, make sure the CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard and HDD have (preferably active) cooling and you're good. It's not like OldGeek will be using his PC to guide ballistic missiles or launch a space shuttle.
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    Default Re: Do I ever learn???

    The only thing this OldGeek controls are virtual 747's, 757's, 767's and 777's. Some HAVE accused me of flying them like a missle or a space shuttle. Hey, if that test pilot for Boeing could do a barrel roll in the ONLY 707 prototype in front of the company's management during a picnic, why shouldn't I in the 747? Ok, he probably had 40,000 hrs more flying time than me AND it was a real plane. <grin>
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    Default Re: Do I ever learn???

    Maybe if you're flying passenger jets you should get a UPS then. Better still a backup power unit for yourself n the form of a strong cup of coffe would help avoid any barrel roll disasters.
    Coolermaster CM 690 II advance Case
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    P55A-UD4 v2.0 @ F14
    Core i5 760 @ 20 x 201, 4.02GHz
    TRUE Black with a single Noctua NF-P12 pumping out 55 CFM @ 19db .
    2 x 2GB Mushkin Ridgeback (996902), @ 7-10-8-27, 2010-DDR, 1.66v
    2 x Gigabyte GTX 460 1024MB in SLI (Pre OC'd to 715MHz core and 1800MHz VRAM) @ 850 Core / 4100 Mem.
    Intel X25-M Boot Drive (OS and Programs) 200MB/s Read & 90MB/s Write
    Corsair X32 200MB/s Read & 100MB/s Write
    WD Caviar Blue 640GB C (Steam, Games, Storage, Temp Files & Folders, etc)
    Samsung F3 500GB Backup/Images
    Noctua 1300RPM 19dB case fan (rear extraction)
    3 x 140 MM Coolermaster LED fans (one front intake, one top extraction, one side intake)
    Dell Ultra Sharp 2209WAf E-IPS @ 1680x1050

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