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    Default GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    I have a GA-EP45-UD3P (v1.6) that I have been fighting with for a month or two. I'm running Snow Leopard and have no Windows installations so that makes lots of the testing utilities out of reach. My problem seems to be a little different then most in that it will work for days under no load but randomly reboots, only sometimes, under heavy load. I replaced the heat sink with a better model and CPU temps never exceed 130F even when maxing out CPU. I can use handbrake to do a rip, start a backup with carbon copy cloner, browse the web, and one time out of 3 it will just reboot without anything in the logs. I have tried replacing the GSkill ram with Patriot, but there was no change. I tried replacing the video card but it still happens. I took the CPU and RAM voltages off Auto and tried various things from these forums but it only got worse. The power supply is new top of the line Corsair and I hear they don't come much better. Anybody seen anything like this. Gigabyte, could this be a defective motherboard?

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    This may be simply the equivalent to disabled BSOD in windows.
    At least Prime95 should be available to your OS I believe, if it has the torture option I don't know.

    What exactly have you tried so far that did not work?

    Please fill your forum signature with system spec including a link to both ram models your have tried web page or at least model/part numper, BIOS vers. etc.
    Post BIOS settings using the template in this post or the one after.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    OK, thanks. I'm at work now but I'll get it all posted this weekend.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    Likely just need the correct BIOS adjustments made, maybe you have not tried correct ones yet. Once you do give us more info we will be able to better advise you.

    It very well could also be a MAC OS issue, but I would think more along the lines of not finding the right settings yet.

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    CPU, MB, Bios, and Ram, see my signature and above.
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    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: +.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.83
    <o:p> </o:p>
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100
    <o:p> </o:p>
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    <o:p> </o:p>
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0ps
    <o:p> </o:p>
    <o:p> </o:p>
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40b
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
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    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 7
    tRP'........................................... 7
    tRAS.......................................... 24
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Set all Suggested below to highest Values first. Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go
    <o:p> </o:p>
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... auto
    tWTR.......................................... auto
    tWR............................................ auto
    tRFC........................................... auto
    tRTP........................................... auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
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    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ don’t see that in my bios
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    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:6
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
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    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:6
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
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    Motherboard Voltage Control
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    CPU
    Load Line Calibration… Disabled
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto
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    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V
    CPU Referen.………….... .76 (0.755V is not showing as an option)
    CPU Reference2………,,Auto
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    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.1v
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; .76v
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: auto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: auto
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    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 1.8v
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: auto
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    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: Enabled
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: Disabled
    C2/C2E State Support....................: Disabled
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: Disabled
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: Enabled
    CPU EIST Function.........................: Disabled
    Virtualization Technology................: Enabled
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    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............Disabled
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    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 with FC BIOS
    Intel Q9550 Core 2 Quad 2.83ghz
    Gskill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK memory (2x2gb)
    PNY Nvidia 9800gtx+
    Corsair HX650W Power Supply

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    You can leave all reference voltages on auto.
    Most others as well while you are on stock settings.

    1.8v DRAM voltage may not be enough, even auto will set it to 1.9v.

    Try increasing MCH Core in the range 1.2-1.24v, usually that is needed for large high speed memory configuratons.

    If you have the XMP option you may set it to profile1 or profile2, and leave all timings on auto, and set DRAM Voltage auto. Just make sure in PC Health ram has enogh voltage according to ram specs, if it does not set it manually.

    If you don't have XMP or don't wish to use it leave it disable and set manually memory miltiplier, standard timings according to ram specs, and DRAM Voltage.

    Run few pass of memtest86+ before starting windows.
    Please post a screen capture of MemSet main and SPD)click spd) windows.
    You can find those programs in http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/late...30/#post284762

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    K, try these out. Please use only one set of ram or the other and adjust main ram timings accordingly

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: +.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.83


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.40b << Set 3.20B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5/6
    tRP'........................................... 5/6
    tRAS.......................................... 15/18

    ^^ Adjust according to whichever set you are using. I'd try the G.Skills first ^^

    Set all Suggested below to highest Values first. Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3-4
    tWTR.......................................... 3-6
    tWR............................................ 4-6
    tRFC........................................... 52-62
    tRTP........................................... 3-5
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ don’t see that in my bios << It is there. Look here set to 1066 >>>
    http://i46.tinypic.com/1zqgegg.png


    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:6 << Set to 8 for now
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:6 << Set to 8 for now
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration… Disabled
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V << Set to 1.225-1.25
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V << Set to auto
    CPU Referen.………….... .76 (0.755V is not showing as an option) << Set to Auto
    CPU Reference2………,,Auto

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.1v << Set to 1.20-1.24, this is the norm, some boards though act nicer with less than stock such as 1.0-1.05 but try this as a last resort or first if you like I guess. It is not the norm though

    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; .76v << Set to Auto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: auto
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: auto << Set 1.14-1.8

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 1.8v << Set 2.1V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: auto

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: Enabled
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: Disabled
    C2/C2E State Support....................: Disabled
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: Disabled
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: Enabled
    CPU EIST Function.........................: Disabled
    Virtualization Technology................: Enabled

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............Disabled

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    Thank you both for your help so far. This is where I am now: First I tried the settings provided yesterday by Chike. No change in my symptoms. It runs OK until I start ripping in handbrake and running a movie in iTunes, and eventually it reboots spontaneously. This morning I tried Lsdmeasap's suggestions to the letter. I also put in the Gskill memory as he suggested, (removing the other), and while I was in there I decided to put the EVGA Nvidia 9800 GTX+ and remove the older card. Hope that isn't a problem. Anyway, still have the same issue with spontaneous reboots.

    I ran memtest86 through multiple iterations with no errors, jpg attached. Following Chike's suggestion I tracked down MPrime, the OSX version of Prime95, and am running a blended torture test now. It ran for about 8 minutes taking 100% of cpu but only about 75% of available ram, and finally rebooted. Cpu core temps were around 130, 126, 126, 126 f and were pretty stable. The system logs recorded no errors.

    Any suggestions?
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 with FC BIOS
    Intel Q9550 Core 2 Quad 2.83ghz
    Gskill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK memory (2x2gb)
    PNY Nvidia 9800gtx+
    Corsair HX650W Power Supply

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    Please post current BIOS settings?
    Having a reboot as result of Prime torture may suggest it is only settings issue not the VGA driver. See if it has a flag for round checking may cause it to fail before the reboot.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-UD3P Random Spontaneous Reboots

    Checked MPrime. There doesn't seem to be an Advanced/Round Off Checking like in Prime95, but I'm still digging for it.

    Current BIOS Settings, all at the high end of numbers suggested by Lsdmeasap:

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: +.5
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.83


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 333Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 3.20B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 4
    tWTR.......................................... 6
    tWR............................................ 6
    tRFC........................................... 62
    tRTP........................................... 5
    Command Rate (CMD) ...................2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ 1066


    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:8
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration… Disabled
    CPU Vcore….……….........................:Auto

    CPU Termination…..... 1.24 (Lsdmeasap suggested 1.25, but my bios offers 1.24, 1.26, 1.28, etc)
    CPU PLL…………………....auto
    CPU Referen.…………....auto
    CPU Reference2………,,Auto

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.24
    MCH Reference….…….Auto
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......auto
    ICH I/O……………….....auto
    ICH Core…………...…….1.4 (Lsdmeasap said set to the high end of 1.14-1.8, but my bios only offers up to 1.4)

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....2.1V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: auto

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: Enabled
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: Disabled
    C2/C2E State Support....................: Disabled
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: Disabled
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: Enabled
    CPU EIST Function.........................: Disabled
    Virtualization Technology................: Enabled

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............Disabled
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.6 with FC BIOS
    Intel Q9550 Core 2 Quad 2.83ghz
    Gskill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK memory (2x2gb)
    PNY Nvidia 9800gtx+
    Corsair HX650W Power Supply

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