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    Default Cannot update BIOS

    Hello guys.

    I cannot manage to update bios on my gigabyte mobo. The model is K8NS Ultra-939. It is a Nforce 3 Ultra Mobo. I have tried to update using various methods.

    @BIOS.... didnt work. Tried doing update through internet, the program needed to shutdown. Tried using @bios and updating with a downloaded BIOS file. It gives me an error "cannot load rom image from bin file, maybe bin file size not match".

    Q-Flash .... doesnt recognize my USB Corsair flash drive. The only optins I get in there is updating from floppy drive, which i dont have. I formatted the flash drive in fat 32 and tried that, no luck. Someoone also suggested making a tiny fat 32 partition on my hard drive and putting the bios file there. Q-flash didnt recognize it either. Both usb flash and hd are recognized by bios though. Btw, the Q-flash utility is version 1.34 from 2004. Perhaps it doesnt support updating from usb drive. Is there a way to get a new version of Q-flash utility?

    Dos..... I then created a bootable usb flash drive using the hp program someone mentioned on this forum. It loaded into the windows 98 screen and saw the new bios file on the drive. I went ahead and instructed it to install, but it gave me an error "BIOS ID Error". This is the closest i've come.


    I double checked the exact mobo model and the correct bios update. Everything seems to be fine.


    Any suggestions on how to get this to work?

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    Hi guy, there is a sticky in the Gigabyte forum for exactly this issue. The sticky is located here -->>http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/ and there is a overclock guide that has older information on flashing a BIOS and here it is -->>http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...12/#post248079
    I like to use the first post as it is the most recent and has updated information.
    In regards to updating by the USB drive you need to enable the legacy USB option in your BIOS. This allows your machine to see the USB drive at any time. then proceed to update your BIOS provided you have properly downloaded the correct BIOS from the BIOS page shown here-->>GA-K8NS Ultra-939 - GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - BIOS
    you may need a RSS reader to check on the latest BIOS offered. Also check the size of the BIOS it should be 1mb exactly and I use getright to DL all my high imp files.
    Max out
    Last edited by MadMax2911; 02-14-2010 at 09:02 AM. Reason: add infor
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Cannot update BIOS

    The model is K8NS
    Which motherboard rev.1.x or rev.2.x? GA-K8NS (Rev.1.x) - GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - BIOS
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    http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/FileList...ios_qflash.pdf
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    Default Re: Cannot update BIOS

    Quote Originally Posted by artdrivers View Post
    This isn't his board.
    GA-K8NS Ultra-939 - GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - BIOS

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMax2911 View Post
    Hi guy, there is a sticky in the Gigabyte forum for exactly this issue. The sticky is located here -->>http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...h-guide-27576/ and there is a overclock guide that has older information on flashing a BIOS and here it is -->>http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...12/#post248079
    I like to use the first post as it is the most recent and has updated information.
    In regards to updating by the USB drive you need to enable the legacy USB option in your BIOS. This allows your machine to see the USB drive at any time. then proceed to update your BIOS provided you have properly downloaded the correct BIOS from the BIOS page shown here-->>GA-K8NS Ultra-939 - GIGABYTE - Support&Download - Motherboard - BIOS
    you may need a RSS reader to check on the latest BIOS offered. Also check the size of the BIOS it should be 1mb exactly and I use getright to DL all my high imp files.
    Max out
    Thank you for your reply.

    I read the new guide and the older one, but it didnt help me. I dont have any option relating to "usb legacy support" in my bios.

    The size of the bios update file is 512kb. Where did you get info that the bios file should be 1mb?

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    Default Re: Cannot update BIOS

    is there anyone from gigabyte on this forum that could help with this issue?

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    Default Re: Cannot update BIOS

    Quote Originally Posted by Spetsnaz201 View Post
    Thank you for your reply.

    I read the new guide and the older one, but it didnt help me. I dont have any option relating to "usb legacy support" in my bios.

    The size of the bios update file is 512kb. Where did you get info that the bios file should be 1mb?
    I ll get to the USB problem in a moment, this is the text that says the file should be 1 MB exactly.

    <LI itxtvisited="1">
    <LI itxtvisited="1">Go to your "Bios and Drivers" folder and find the bios file you want to use, it should be named something like " motherboard_bios_ga-965p-ds3_f10.exe". Notice the BIOS version is part of the file name. <LI itxtvisited="1">Double click (or whatever) to run/execute the file. <LI itxtvisited="1">A window should pop up with an "install to" data bar and a "browse" button. Use the "browse" button to indicate to the extraction program that the A:\ is the destination (or wherever). I will assume the A: drive, use what you use. Click the "install" button. <LI itxtvisited="1">Open the A: drive in File Explorer and look at the file named like 965PDS3.F10, notice again the version is part of the file name, right click on it and look at the "Properties", It should be exactly 1MB (1,048,576 bytes) , If not ABORT, download again, and restart at the beginning of this section. do NOT proceed until this is resolved. <LI itxtvisited="1">
    <LI itxtvisited="1">Also do not use A BIOS at all our moderator says so in his guide <LI itxtvisited="1">
    Please DO NOT USE @BIOS!!

    This cannot be stressed enough. I cannot recommend using it AT ALL with all other available options

    I have seen many Boards killed (IE: Bricked, that is your motherboard is now a brick and you will have to RMA your board) by using @BIOS. I would guess that more then 90% of RMA's due to a bad flash, were because of @BIOS alone.

    Yes it may work for you once or twice but if you keep using it you will find out the hard way it is not a good idea. Windows based flashing has always been looked down on and likely will never be a accepted or recommended method to flash a BIOS

    A few @BIOS "Bad flash" notes will be below

    Now that the Much needed warning is out of the way, onto the subject at hand
    Just enable all options related to USB including USB mouse and USB keyboard all of them. If you can see what options you have that are similar and post them here I will check my bios and get back to you.
    Last edited by MadMax2911; 02-15-2010 at 01:00 AM. Reason: correcting text problem
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Cannot update BIOS

    About the USB BIOS options can you fill out one of the BIOS templates so we get a better idea of what options you have? Maybe that will give our forum buddies more information to work with. The Templates are located here -->> http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...ettings-33613/
    just choose the one that look most like yours and replace the values with your values. If you have to choose sections then choose the Advanced BIOS Features and Integrated Peripherals sections to list here here is a possible template that you can use I hope its right.
    Code:
     Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
    Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5]
    CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450] 
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
    C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
    DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]
     
    Performance Enhance = [Standard]
     
    CAS Latency Time________________ 
    Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 
    Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______
    Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 
     
    ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 
    Rank Write to READ Delay________ 
    Write to Precharge Delay_________ 
    Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 
    Read to Precharge Delay__________
    Static tRead Value_______________
    Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]
     
    CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control [800mV]
    CPU Clock Skew Control [normal]
    GMCH Clock Skew Control [Normal]
     
    System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
    DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
    PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
    FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
    (G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
    CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]
     
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
     
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect__[Disabled]  (This is the option that should be enabled and here is the note)  *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB 
    Q-Flash .... doesnt recognize my USB Corsair flash drive. The only optins I get in there is updating from floppy drive, which i dont have. I formatted the flash drive in fat 32 and tried that, no luck. Someoone also suggested making a tiny fat 32 partition on my hard drive and putting the bios file there. Q-flash didnt recognize it either. Both usb flash and hd are recognized by bios though. Btw, the Q-flash utility is version 1.34 from 2004. Perhaps it doesnt support updating from usb drive. Is there a way to get a new version of Q-flash utility?
    I would suggest trying to get the flash drive to work now only later we can try to use the hard drive method.
    Do you have Boot priority in the Advanced BIOS features section? Do you have boot up floppy seek there as well? Do you have Dual BIOS Recovery source? And I guess you said earlier you do not have Legacy USB storage detect right?
    Update to post:I found a few links on this forum on updating the BIOS using a flash drive, here is the list...
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/upda...b-stick-27143/
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/checksum-error-27555/

    this one a rep from Gigabyte answers his post ....http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/x38-...rations-25471/
    Update again I found a tutorial and some other links.....
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/tuto...b-drive-37595/
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/qfla...ing-usb-37441/
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios-36647/

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/qflash-36573/
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/bios...y-flash-36449/
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/ga-p...-update-36374/
    Hope those help guy...One thing comes to mind...are you using the rear USB connections or the front?
    Max out
    Last edited by MadMax2911; 02-15-2010 at 05:09 AM. Reason: add info
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Hard disk boot priority -- Press Enter
    First boot device – Hard Disk
    Second boot device -- hard disk
    Third boot device -- cd rom
    Boot up floppy seek --- disabled
    Password check ----- setup
    Flexible AGP 8X ----- auto
    Init Display First ---- AGP

    INTEGRATED PERIPHERALS
    RAID Config --- Press Enter
    On chip primary pci ide ---- enabled
    On chip secondary pci ide ---- enabled
    On chip lan boot rom --- disabled
    Ide dma transfer ---- enabled
    Serial ata 2 (internal PHY) --- enabled
    Sata dma transfer ---- enabled
    Usb host controller ------ V1.1 _+ V2.0
    Usb memory type ----- shadow
    Usb kb/storage support –--- enab led
    Usb mouse support ----- enabled
    Ac97 audio ---- disabled
    On chip lan (nvidia) ----- auto
    On boaord 1394 ----- enabled
    On board lan control --- enabled
    On board lan boot rom --- disabled
    On board suerial port 1 -------- 3f8/irq4
    On board serial port 2 ------- 2f8/irq3
    On board parallel port ------------ 378/irq7
    Parallel port mode ---------- SPP
    Ecp mode use dma ------ 3
    Cir port address ---- disabled
    Cir port IRQ -------- 11




    The above is all i have in my bios under advanced bios features and integrated peripherals.



    Regarding your question, I use the rear usb port.
    Last edited by Spetsnaz201; 02-15-2010 at 06:02 AM.

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    I am still puzzled why I am unable to update the bios through the DOS. I followed the instructions on these forums. Created a bootable USB drive with the HP program. I put the bios file and the dos program on the usb drive. In bios I changed the boot priority to usb drive as #1. Everything boots up fine and I get to the gigabyte flash utility after the windows 98 screen.

    The new bios file on the usb drive is recognized by the utility. I press enter to install it and it gives me "Bios ID Error" message. This is the closest I've come.

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