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    Default First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    First, let me say thanks in advance for any and all help getting into this! I'm sure there are many things I do not know yet, but I have a strong desire to learn and tinker as much as possible.

    Not knowing whether I've included all of the necessary info in my Sig (confused as to what's needed/expected), I'll try to be as concise as possible.

    Basically, I just put together a system using the components I'll list below for the purpose of learning more about overclocking, etc. I do not game on my PC, but do edit music and movies.

    • Thermaltake Mozart TX
    • Gigabyte EP45-UD3P *The board has Rev 1.6 printed on it, The CD I received with it says Rev. 1.1 so I downloaded the Chipset drivers (Rev 1.6) from the site...DEL for BIOS
    • Intel QX6700 Extreme (2.66Ghz)
    • 6GB (have 8, but one wont fit) OCZ DDR2-9200 (link to RAM specs below)
    OCZ DDR2 PC2-9200 Reaper HPC 4GB Edition OCZ Technology
    • XFX Radeon HD 5770 1GB PCIe DDR5
    • OCZ Vertex Turbo 60GB SSD
    • (2) 750GB Seagate 7200rpm (currently RAID 1 in my old machine..to be added later once this is running and stable)
    • Ultra 750W PSU
    • Ultra ChillTEC Cooler

    I JUST finished putting everything together this week and installed Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit just last night...so this thing is a virgin. :)

    I've only messed with Easy Tune and only selected the 1st level just to see how that works. It showed the processor running at 3.2Ghz and my temp stayed around 34°C for 2 hours til I shut it off.

    I just don't know very much at all about overclocking. Not looking to set any world records, but would like to push the machine a good bit further than where it's at right now.
    I have limited understanding of the Multiplier and how to change the processor speed, but get REALLY confused when it comes to RAM.

    Even though I have (3) 2GB sticks of PC-9200 I only see 800Mhz in the BIOS when referencing the RAM...shouldn't that be close to the 1150 it's rated at? Folks were saying it can even go to 1200...? Very confused about the RAM settings available and what needs to be tweaked.

    I have some of the apps I've seen folks mention on here, but they have not yet been installed on this machine (ie. Everest, CPU-Z, etc)

    Just for grins I ran the 'Windows Experience Index' (I know) to see how this machine compared to my old Dell and got a 6.9 as it sits right now.

    ...wondering what kind of monster you need to score a 7.9...? Ironically, my lowest score (the 6.9) was for my HDD! wtf? It's an SSD...indexing disabled, etc, etc.

    Maybe I'm expecting too much?

    If anyone who may have taken the time to read this can offer me some 'easy-to-follow' advice on how to get this thing dialed-in, I'd be most appreciative!

    Feel free to PM or email me or just reply to this thread.
    I'm big into collecting live music so maybe i can repay the favor(s) with some offers in kind. :)

    Thanks again all!


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    Default Re: First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    Start with this post, post the screen capures requested in step 4 and we'll see how can we assist you.

    Additional items you may need include eye drops for sore red eyes and lots of strong black coffe, but I'm sure you'll make it thtough just fine.

    Just out of curiousity, why choose QX6700?

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    Thanks Chike! Looks like you keep pretty busy around here. :)
    I'll get the requested information together this evening when I get home from work and will post.
    Long story on why I chose that processor, but I'll try to keep it short.

    Had an extra older machine...donated it to work and they said I could order some stuff for myself as a trade. I thought I'd upgrade the mobo, chip and RAM in my Dell (E6320 Duo Core) to something at least Quad Core. Turns out it was a BTX mobo with a 775 Socket and I went down an exhausting road trying to find compatible parts for BTX case...finally I just scrapped the idea of using it, got a new (discontinued and HUGE) case and a Gigabyte UD3P, but had already bought the other components. :(

    Is the QX6700 a bad processor?


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    Default Re: First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970 View Post
    Is the QX6700 a bad processor?
    Not bad, just a bit old and I wonder how it compare to Q9550 which is somewhat cheaper and great OCer. I guess we shall see soon.

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    Default Re: First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    Here are the screens from Step#4. I'm not sure why the RAM isnt recognized as 9200 either. They were all new in the pack and labeled accordingly. DIMM #1 isn't isn't populated with any, just DIMM 2,3,4 with 2GB modules each.
    I'm sure things aren't set properly as well. Thanks for your time and any suggestions to get me rollin.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970 View Post
    I'm not sure why the RAM isnt recognized as 9200 either.
    This is very simple. Look at the SPD window and you will see that it is program only high as 400MHz(DDR-800, PC-6400) the part number indicates it is PC-9200.
    At least part of the reason for this is not complient with the JEDEC standard.
    Sometimes EPP is programed with profiles that do not match the standards, but this may also cause problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970
    DIMM #1 isn't isn't populated with any, just DIMM 2,3,4 with 2GB modules each.
    I am still not sure how operate at such configuration, dual, single, or mixed. Do you see anyhing like Flex mode during post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970
    I'm sure things aren't set properly as well.
    I can see you already OCed with 400MHz FSB(rated 1600).
    Though I am not sure about unsafe values for 65nm processors, PLL is best set low as possible (not below default though).
    VTT(CPU Termination) is OK but lower may be possible, the same is with Vcore which is set to it's max(specified by Intel).
    Follow the suggestions in the post I linked to in post #2 for a manual stock settings. Post full settings and we will continue from there.

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    Default Re: First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    I do in fact see mention of Flex Mode in at post, but haven't noticed a setting relating to it in the BIOS. All 3 modules are the same, I just couldn't fit one in channel one because of the cooler. Should I try removing the module in channel three or is it because of settings that it doesn't register properly? Its supposed to be compatible with the board though.

    I'll refer to the settings in Post#2 and get back to you.

    Thx Chike!


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    Default Re: First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    Flex mode, according to the manual, is engaged when mixing different types or sizes.
    I don't realy know what it means, just guess that in your case 2GB operate in single-channel mode and the other 4GB as dual channel.

    I realized the cooler is the reason for using 3 sticks, is it possible to install it sideways, not only physically, but also taking air flow in consideration?

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    Chike

    I was considering removing one of the modules to see if that made any difference until I can exchange 2 modules for the same speed without the heatsink. Not sure there's any way to re-orient the cooler and still have efficient airflow though.

    I copied the template and all of my settings in their current state to it. I'm sure there's plenty not set correctly. My goal would just be to get the CPU and RAM overclocked to the fastest yet most stable configuration.

    I really appreciate any and all guidance to help me push this puppy a bit.
    Thanks again!

    Here are my current settings. Anything I could not find I indicated with a question mark. Most everything else is set on Auto unless specifically noted in the original template, then I changed my [Auto] to match.

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    CPU = Intel QX6700 Extreme
    Motherboard = Gigabyte EP45-UD3P Rev.1.6
    BIOS Version = 1.6FD DEL.
    Ram = OCZ DDR2 PC2-9200 Reaper HPC 4GB - OCZ2RPR11504GK
    OCZ DDR2 PC2-9200 Reaper HPC 4GB Edition OCZ Technology


    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 10x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................: ?
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66GHz


    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 266 Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100

    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]


    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 0ps


    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: ?
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: [Auto]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................5
    tRCD .........................................5
    tRP'...........................................5
    tRAS..........................................18

    Set all Suggested below to highest Values first. Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...........................................3 [Auto]
    tWTR..........................................3 [Auto]
    tWR............................................6 [Auto]
    tRFC...........................................54 [Auto]
    tRTP...........................................3 [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................?

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:5 [Auto]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:5 [Auto]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto ps

    Motherboard Voltage Control

    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.35000V [Auto]

    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.200V [Auto]

    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.500V [Auto]

    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: .760V [Auto]

    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: ?

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: [Auto]
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........; <<< Leave
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: <<< Leave
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< Leave

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............:
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Enabled]


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    Default Re: First Post - First Build - Advice Needed - PLEASE HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970 View Post
    I was considering removing one of the modules to see if that made any difference until I can exchange 2 modules for the same speed without the heatsink. Not sure there's any way to re-orient the cooler and still have efficient airflow though.
    Mixing different memory models may also cause some issues, take that into concideration.
    It may be a good idea to use only 2 modules in slots 2 & 4 for the time being.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970
    I copied the template and all of my settings in their current state to it. I'm sure there's plenty not set correctly.
    You can delete the XMP entry, it is only available when the memory SPD contains EPP/XMP profile(s).
    You should have driving strength settings for each channel under Advanced Clock Control(highlite and press enter).
    Some settings are "<<< Leave" please correct them to auto next time you post your settings.
    Try pressing Alt+F1 in main BIOS screen, if CPU Reference2 is still unavailable, delete it's entry too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerm1970
    My goal would just be to get the CPU and RAM overclocked to the fastest yet most stable configuration.
    This may be anywhere from 3.2GHz to 3.8-4GHz, I have not seen(or forgot I have) QX OCed before, we'll see as you make progress.

    Set manually the settings for stock settings as suggested in this post,
    Run IBT(IntelBurnTest) 5-10 runs at max stress level.
    Prime95 blend torture for some 6-8 hours.
    Monitor core temps with RealTemp or CoreTemp, both record min/max temps.
    SuperPi, memory benchmark, 3D/Graphics benchmark, etc.
    Post benchmarks and IBT results(GFlops), they'll be used to see progress.

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