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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    For what it is worth, I got some settings from Mushkin and got the system to boot at the 2.40B setting @ 3.99 FSB. All was well, so I tried FSB 407 and it would not post! I also tried 2.66D at FSB 407 and it would not post. I'll try the latest BIOS FE and if that don't address the problem I'll settle for FSB 435 4-4-4-12 and move on.

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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    I suggest that you make the following bios changes and see if your system works at 400MHz and higher:
    CPU Reference ----------- 0.755V* ----- : [Auto]
    CPU Reference2 ---------- 0.800V* ----- : [Auto] <--- probably not available with your cpu

    MCH/ICH
    MCH Reference ----------- 0.800V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ 0.900V ------ : [Auto]

    DRAM
    DRAM Termination -------- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel A Reference ----- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel B Reference ----- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]

    Using these AUTO settings is NOT the same as entering the "normal" values that are displayed to the left of the colon in your bios.
    These AUTO settings should be stable with overclocks that are less than very high or extreme levels.
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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    If settings timings manually why should you be against it?
    tRC is not present in GB BIOS and is sometimes different in EPP, one good reason i see to enable it.
    Well manually making changes defeats the purpose of using XMP/EPP, so what's the point of enabling if you effectively disable it by making changes? Seems like a moot point to enable a set table of settings, then don't use them and make your own changes. Best to disable and make those changes you were already making anyway.

    tRC is present, just not accessible by you to change manually. If it were not present in the BIOS any EPP set value would be ignored anyway

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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    ProfJim, Made the changes you suggested and got a similar result. The system posted (happy) and then reposted (sad) and then Windows tried to start but said the computer was in need of a repair because of some hardware change (very sad). The only change I could tell was I did not have to clear the CMOS to get back to the BIOS setup. Looks like if I want to use a memory multiplier with this setup I better get a newer processor?! What's another couple hundred at this point. It is the processor that is having all the problems with the BIOS/Memory isn't it? I'm back at FSB 430 4-4-4-12 and going for your suggested FSB 435. Got any suggested Memory settings that I should try at the C4 settings. I suspect that I should DISABLE the Extreme Memory Profile here too? If so do I need to set the Advanced Timing Control and the tRD manually as suggest by Mushkin for C5?

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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    You can get a nice used 8400 on ebay for 90-110 normally, and sometimes at e-tailers new for 110-120. So don't think you need a few hundred, one would be enough I think.

    Yes, these boards were made for 45nm FSB CPU's, they just run so much nicer/smoother.

    Yes, manually set the tRD for sure, Mushkin fellas know spot on how things should be set for these boards.

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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    I wouldn't be too quick to give up just yet on your E6750 cpu.
    I really can't say that it is or isn't your cpu that is causing the problems.
    You could try a quick memory swap with the identical memory in your Q9550 system to see if this makes any difference.

    An E8400 cpu is probably the best bang for your bucks if you want a high overclock. A sub $100 cpu option would be to go with an E6300 - E6500 (R0) cpu that also supports virtualization under win7.

    4-4-4-12 at 2.02 volts should be stable up to about 875MHz. Using the 2.00D memory multiplier might be a bit easier to get your system stable, but your memory performance will be slightly lower than when using the 2.00B multiplier with tRD set one step tighter than the D-strap setup.
    Try disabling HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability, some have mentioned that this might lead to stability issues.
    I would leave the settings from post #92 on AUTO.

    Post your new bios settings and full screen-shot after your next test.

    Good luck!
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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    ProfJm,
    There you go. FSB 435, 4-4-4-12, tRD 9 and IBt 10 passes. I set the Advanced Timing Control per MushkinSean's recommdations.
    Code:
    Performance Enhance: Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P): Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch: 333 or 400Mhz
    System Memory Multiplier(SPD): 2.40B or 2.66D
    CAS Latency Time: 5
    tRCD: 5
    tRP: 5
    tRAS: 15
    
    >Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD: 4(3-5)
    tWTR: 5(2-5)
    tWR: 6(4-6)
    tRFC: 60(50-60)
    tRTP: 6(4-6)
    Command Rate(CMD): 2T
    >>>>>> Channel A
    Static tRead Value: 9(7-9)
    tRD Phase(0-3) Adjustment: Auto 
    Trd2rd(Different Rank): Auto 
    >>>>>> Channel B
    Static tRead Value: 9(7-9)
    tRD Phase(0-3) Adjustment: Auto 
    Trd2rd(Different Rank): Auto 
    
    DRAM Voltage: +0.2V to +0.3V (2.0V - 2.1V)
    I did try tRD =8 with everthing set to AUTO and the system booted, rebooted and W7 crashed immediately with the BSOD. I have not retried with the above settings but....

    What do you think - call it a day or do you have a few more tricks left in the bag?
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    Motherboard: Model: GA-EP45-UD3P(rev 1.6) Bios Version:  FD
    Cpu: E6750
    Ram: 2 X 2 GB Brand:  Mushkin 996599
    Power Supply Unit: Corsair 620HX
    
    
    MB Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ---------------- : [Auto] 
    CPU Clock Ratio ------------------------ : [ 8 X]
    CPU Frequency -----------------------: 3.48GHz( 435X8)
    
    Clock Chip Control
    
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control ----------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------------- : [ 435]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ------------ : [100]
    C.I.A.2 -------------------------------- : [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control     [Press Enter]
    
    CPU Clock Drive ------------------------ : [ 800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ---------------- : [ 900Mv]
    CPU Clock Skew (ps) -------------------- : [   0ps]
    MCH Clock Skew (ps) -------------------- : [   0ps]
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance -------------------- : [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile ----------------- : [Disabled]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch ----------------- : [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier --------------- : [2.00B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ----------------- : 1066 870
    DRAM Timing Selectable -(SPD)----------- : [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time -------- 5 ------------ : [4]		
    tRCD -------------------- 7 ------------ : [   4]	
    tRP --------------------- 7 ------------ : [   4]	
    tRAS ------------------- 24 ------------ : [  12]	
    
    Advanced Timing Control    [Press Enter]
    tRRD -------------------- 4 ------------ : [4]		
    tWTR -------------------- 4 ------------ : [5]		
    tWR --------------------- 8 -------------: [6]		
    tRFC ------------------- 68 ------------ : [60]		
    tRTP -------------------- 4 ------------ : [6]		
    Command Rate (CMD) ------ 0 -------------: [2]
    
    Channel A
    Channel A Timing Settings  [Press Enter]
    Static tRead Value ------ 8 ----------- :  [9]		
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) -- 6 ------------ : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) -- 6 ------------ : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) -- 5 ------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) -- 8 ------------ : [Auto]
    
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]
    DDR Write Training --------------------- : [Auto]
    
    Channel A Driving Settings [Press Enter]
    Driving Strength Profile --------------- : [Auto]
    Data Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    Cmd  Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    Clk  Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    
    Data Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    Cmd  Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    Clk  Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    
    Channel B
    Channel B Timing Settings  [Press Enter]
    Static tRead Value ------ 8 ------------ : [9]		
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment --- 0 ------------ : [Auto]
    
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) -- 6 ------------ : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) -- 6 ------------ : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) -- 5 ------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) -- 8 ------------ : [Auto]
    
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]
    DDR Write Training --------------------- : [Auto]
    
    Channel B Driving Settings [Press Enter]
    Driving Strength Profile --------------- : [Auto]
    Data Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    Cmd  Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    Clk  Driving Pull-Up Level ------------- : [Auto]
    
    Data Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    Cmd  Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    Clk  Driving Pull-Down Level ----------- : [Auto]
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    Voltage Types ----------- Normal ---------- Current
    Load-Line Calibration ------------------ : [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore --------------- 1.35000V ----- : [1.3750V] 
    
    CPU Termination --------- 1.200V* ------ : [1.300V] 
    CPU PLL ----------------- 1.500V* ------ : [1.570V] 
    CPU Reference ----------- 0.760V* ------ : [Auto] 
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.260V] 
    MCH Reference ----------- 0.760V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    ICH I/O ----------------- 1.500V ------- : [1.570V] 
    ICH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.200V] 
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ------------ 1.800V ------- : [2.040V] 
    DRAM Termination -------- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel A Reference ----- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel B Reference ----- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    
    Standard CMOS Features
    Floppy A ------------------------------- : [None]
    Floppy 3 Mode Support ------------------ : [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Settings
    Hard Disk Boot Priority ---------------- : [Press Enter]
    Quick Boot ----------------------------- : [Disabled]
    First Boot Device ---------------------- : [CDROM]
    Second Boot Device --------------------- : [CDROM]
    Third Boot Device ---------------------- : [Hard Disk]
    Boot Up Floppy Seek -------------------- : [Disabled]
    Boot up Num-Lock ----------------------- : [On]
    Password Check ------------------------- : [Setup]
    HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability -------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Multi-Threading -------------------- : [Enabled]
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 ------------------ : [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect -------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ---------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) ------------ : [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ---------------------- : [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology -------------- : [Disabled] 
    Display For HDD (Secs) ----------------- : [ 0]
    Full Screen LOGO Show ------------------ : [Disabled]
    Backup BIOS Image to HDD --------------- : [Disabled]
    Init Display First --------------------- : [PEG]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    SATA RAID/AHCI Mode -------------------- : [Disabled]
    SATA Port0-3 Native Mode --------------- : [Disabled]
    Azalia Codec --------------------------- : [Auto]
    Onboard H/W 1394 ----------------------- : [Disabled]
    Onboard H/W LAN1 ----------------------- : [Enabled]
    Onboard H/W LAN2 ----------------------- : [Enabled]
    Green Lan ------------------------------ : [Disabled]
    Smart LAN1 ----------------------------- : [Press Enter]
    Smart LAN2 ----------------------------- : [Press Enter]
    Onboard LAN1 Boot ROM ------------------ : [Disabled]
    Onboard LAN2 Boot ROM ------------------ : [Disabled]
    Onboard SATA/IDE Device ---------------- : [Enabled]
    Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode ------------- : [IDE]
    Onboard Serial Port 1 ------------------ : [Disabled]
    Onboard Parallel Port ------------------ : [Disabled]
    X Parallel Port Mode ------------------- :  SPP
    X ECP Mode Use DMA --------------------- :  3
    USB 1.0 Controlller -------------------- : [Enabled]
    USB 2.0 Controlller -------------------- : [Enabled]
    USB Keyboard Function ------------------ : [Enabled]
    USB Mouse Function --------------------- : [Enabled]
    USB Storage Function ------------------- : [Disabled]
    
    PC Health Status
    Reset Case Open Status ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Warning Temperature ---------------- : [70 C/158 F]
    CPU Fan Warning ------------------------ : [Disabled]
    System Fan2 Fail Warning --------------- : [Disabled]
    Power Fan Warning ---------------------- : [Disabled]
    System Fan1 Fail Warning --------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Smart Fan Control ------------------ : [Enabled]
    CPU Smart Fan Mode --------------------- : [PWM]
    
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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    There are several memory tweaks that will give you somewhat better memory performance, but making these changes will require additional extended stress testing. These tweaks can be done after you've settled on your final overclock speeds.

    I suggest that your try go get 450MHz stable, using most of your posted settings in the last half of post #92. There's little to be gained performance wise with 5MHz increments.

    Try the following changes:
    CPU Host Frequency = 450MHz
    System Memory Multiplier = 2.00B and tRD = 9 for both memory channels.
    --> If 2.00B fails, try using 2.00D with tRD = 9 (or 10 if needed).
    Primary memory timings = 5-5-4-12.
    CPU Vcore = 1 - 3 steps higher might be needed.
    MCH Core = 1.28
    HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability = DISABLED
    CPU Fan Warning = ENABLED <--- recommended, but optional

    I did some checking and your E6750 seems to have a 475MHz ceiling, often with Vcore about 1.45 volts. With LLC DISABLED, your cpu vcore at load would be less than 1.40 volts.
    Most setups settled on a 3.5 - 3.7GHz setup, and most of these setups were using older motherboard models.

    If your issues are with your motherboard or memory, upgrading to an E8400 should help somewhat (higher cpu multiplier and L2 cache size), but you might still be limited to about 435MHz.

    Good luck!
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    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    435Mhz for 8400? What?

    He will be able to do 450-500 easy with a 8400 and a UD3P. I agree though, E6750/E3075 usually top out at about 3.4-3.6, more often needs excessive voltage and not all can do 3.6 at all.

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    Default Re: Normal Voltage for E6750

    The OP is having far more trouble with his E6750 compared with my E6550 on my rev: 1.0 EP45-UD3P motherboard, where 1100MHz speeds were easily achieved and I had no problems using the 2.00B and 2.00D multipliers with tighter tRD settings.
    If your issues are with your motherboard or memory, upgrading to an E8400 should help somewhat (higher cpu multiplier and L2 cache size), but you might still be limited to about 435MHz.
    The last sentence in post #98 stated that upgrading to an E8400 might not work with higher FSB speeds if his system has motherboard or memory issues.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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