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    Talking Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    Ya gotta crawl before you walk, and walk before you can run.
    The first thing is to make sure that your system is rock solid stable at stock settings before you start to overclock.

    Once your system is good to go at stock speeds, we'll help you go for the gusto.

    **edit** As far as monitor resolutions, go with what you like best, as long as your settings won't damage the monitor.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    monitor resolution all lcd /flat screen are supposed to produce the best results at their standard resolution.
    dont know what yours is but u can look it up(see manual).
    Memory bandwidth standard is all in and around 6-8gb/sec on 45 chipsets at standard.Latency well that varies too .
    You can try n fine tune that after you get your cpu speed up a bit..well once u are totally stable (mho) as pro Jim is saying.
    Im just including a 500 cpu ref 2000 fsb, bandwidth latency screenshot fyi,the thing is tho were gonna be at like 1/3 the memory bandwith performance of say good i7 systems .
    So get your cpu overclock sorted out first once you are stable and then fine tune other items . that is really down to increasing cpu ref(fsb) speed. (mho again)
    nb this is a memory performance screenshot with other programs running.9-11gb/s is about all you will get tho.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    Chike, thanks for confirming that the EP4x "L" models use 800/800 clock drive values when optimized bios settings are loaded.

    Max, Cpu Clock Drive and PCI Express Clock Drive settings should NOT be changed manually. When you initially load optimized bios settings, the "best" values will be applied by the bios for your motherboard. Lsdme said that there are some "hidden" bios settings that are only set when you've loaded optimized settings.

    Jhay82, your results are exactly as expected. You will notice significant performance improvements when we overclock your system by increasing the cpu speed.

    Kick's memory benchmark is as good as it gets, especially since he "stole" my patented tRD = 9 setting.
    His memory scores might be a bit higher if he was using the most recent version of MaxMem2.

    Once you have completed your stability testing at stock speeds, you can try the following bios changes:
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    System Memory Multiplier --------------: [3.20B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) -------------- 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable ----------------: [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time---------- 5 ----------: [5]
    tRCD --------------------- 5 ----------: [5]
    tRP ---------------------- 5 ----------: [5]
    tRAS --------------------- 18 ---------: [15]
    
    MCH Core ------------ 1.10 -------------: [1.22] <--- 1.24 might be needed
    
    DRAM Voltage -------- 1.80 -------------: [2.20]
    Memory benchmark scores will increase slightly, but you probably won't notice any real world performance benefits.

    Just to be on the safe side, with these new settings, run only one full pass with Memtest86+ and then run IBT one time using 10 loops and the maximum amount of available memory. You might want to repeat the IBT test by changing Threads = AUTO to Threads = 4 for your quad core cpu. Let us know if the second IBT test results in better GFlops scores or slightly higher cpu core temperatures.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    Oops, time for a minor game change.
    Once you've completed your current stress tests, apply the settings in post #13, but perform full stress tests in windows.

    Now is the perfect time to verify that your memory is completely stable when it is running at its maximum rated speed.
    Your memory might be capable of running at 1100MHz speeds or higher, but your best overall system performance should be with higher cpu speeds with your memory running with 900 - 1000MHz speeds.
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    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    Well after I passed Memtest86+ with 8 tests with 1066Mhz settings.
    I did a benchmark
    results are even better as memory
    Bandwith improved from 6.73 to 7.04GB/s now
    Latency improved from 89.4 to 85.9ns now
    Cache & Memory improved from 36.68 to 37.59GB/s now

    now I am doin IBT but if I choose max. amount of memory it says:

    ""Success,your system was able to maintain its stability while running IBT.
    This is usually an indication that your CPU is fully stable,if at least tested with "Standard" stress level.If you are testing with memory size below standard,please re-test with "Standard" or higher stress level.
    Test completed successfully in 0.22secs""

    so I cant make a 10 loop test like that,
    and now i am doing it with standard high (2048MB) 10 loop test.
    and it gave an error about instability after 2nd test.

    There wasn't any errors with IBT at 800mhz 4-4-4-12
    i had 10 loop with Auto and 5 with 4 Thread. Auto was around 26.5Gflops each loop, 4 thread was like 9.5Glops.

    Would it be about my 500W psu is at technical service atm and now I am using a 300W standart one for a few days?

    (I tested both MCH Core 1.22 & 1.24) or is it about my fsb:dram 5:8?
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    Are you using the latest verison (2.3) of IBT?
    Use the default Threads = AUTO setting.
    With a 64 bit operating system, I thought that you would be able to test with more than 2048 MB of memory. You might be able to use the CUSTOM option and manually enter a value that is higher than 2048, but lower than the "Available" memory displayed in windows Task Manager in the "Physical Memory (K)" portion of the window. If 2048 MB is the most that you can test with, that is OK.

    Sometimes I've had IBT or Linx errors after loop 5.
    I use a 10 loop IBT as my initial stress test because it will sometimes display errors much quicker than Prime95, OCCT, or other stress tests. I've passed many IBT or LinX 10 loop tests, only to have one of the longer running stress test programs fail after 45 minutes, several hours, or sometimes after 10 - 18 hours.

    I have doubts about the 300 watt psu being adequate, unless it is a very high quality unit. Many cheap low power supplies can't put out their full rated power, or if they do, the power will not be clean and stable.
    Does the 300W psu have a 24-pin connector?
    Does it have an 8-pin EPS_12v connector?

    On my system, stress testing draws about 200 - 225 watts (not including the monitor) according to the wattage indicator display in my Zalman ZM-MFC2 unit.

    If you want to continue testing, increase MCH Core to 1.24 or 1.26 if necessary. If it were my system, I would wait until the 500 watt psu is installed and then continue testing.
    now i am doing it with standard high (2048MB) 10 loop test.
    and it gave an error about instability after 2nd test.
    Does this refer to testing using 5-5-5-15 primary memory timings at 1066MHz? If yes, you might want to test with DRAM Voltage = 2.22 volts or possibly 2.10 volts.

    I think the best test is to do some gaming and just use your system until your regular psu can be installed.

    ** edit ** I have a 3 year oldThermalTake 430W (retired) psu. A year after I bought it, I read a detailed review that said the psu was an excellent 340 watt[!!] psu, and it couldn't deliver its full power. Hopefully their newer units are much better.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    thanks again

    yes I did dram voltage 2.1V as you suggested.(Which originally it says 2.2~2.3V in original kingston for 1066MHz, and its 1.8V for my mainboard)

    and passed IBT 10 loop , Memtest86+ 8 times and prime95 for only 3 hours now. I have to stop computer for now gonna test more :)
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    Also should I change my Drams with Gskill trident 8500 1.8V 1066 5-5-5-15 dual ? or any other suggestions? Isnt that 2.2~2.3V is a bit higher and it is unstable using 2.1V with those Kingstons?
    What is that "1.8V DRAM slots" wrtten on my mainboard specification?
    And is it max Voltage Values for the Kingston? that 2.2~2.3V?

    also with this setup IBT & Memtest are okay. after 8~9hours 1 worker gave 1 error on prime95 but others worked perfectly in 11~12hours.
    Last edited by Jhay82; 03-03-2010 at 06:50 PM.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    1.8v is the standard v for ddr2 memory.
    Value ram or the ram that comes with a dell say will work off this voltage.
    Performance ram generally has a performance profile. The sticker on your ram sticks.
    Most performance ddr2 ram seems to operate at around 2.1V at its best speed .
    Some are less than that some are a bit more.
    My ram is certified to run at 1.8-1.9v at 800mhz with 4-4-4-12 timings and it does on this board.
    It also runs at 1000mhz at 5-5-5-15 with 2.2 v in bios but thats a persona lthing.It wont run at 1066mhz (for me) well actually it will but at a crazy voltage ,but with a practical limit of 500 cpu ref for my processor I would gain nothing by getting 1066mhz memory on this setup.I would need some really good ddr2(expensive) 1200mhz memory to run with a 2:4 multiplier and even then unless i loosened out the memory timings ,I might exceed the chipsets limitations,
    Your cpu should be capable of working with a 480 cpu ref without going crazy.As long as you can get your present memory to work on a 2:00 multiplier at something near that .say 960 mhz . you might be wasting money on different memory.
    If you can get the memory working with decent timings at 450-500 cpu ref with a 2:00 D multiplier or say 460 cpu ref with a 2:4 B multiplier it wont get much better than that.. explore your present memory limitations first .
    Last edited by kick; 03-04-2010 at 05:46 AM.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3LR with Q8300 optimization

    I agree with Kick, your current memory will probably work out fine.

    The heat spreaders on the G.Skill Trident model are quite tall, almost twice as tall as memory with standard heat spreaders. This might cause fitment problems with some cpu heatsink/fan combinations.
    If you want to overclock your cpu higher than 445 - 458MHz, you will have to use one of the two 2.00 memory multipliers, which means that your final memory speed will be in the 900 - 1000MHz range.

    My memory is running at 984MHz (2.00 x 492) with 5-5-4-12 primary memory timings.
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    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
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    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
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    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
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    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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