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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    So far we're in good shape. The only change I have made is to use "normal" for cpu core voltage, and that made a huge difference in the max core temps when encoding video, prime95 etc, as warren300 more or less pointed out it would on some other thread.
    Have been through several reboots without the initial problem, so I'll let the cpu pretend it's an i7-960 until (and if) the pc decides to not boot.
    Happy days.
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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    Ahh ok, well I just asked because your settings you posted are far from optimal.

    Let me know if you would like help later on optimizing things.

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    Ah, I see. Yes, I'm all for more optimizing.
    What looks like it needs tweaking from your experience? I am happy with the extent of over-clocking, admittedly could try 3.33GHz and the full 1333Mhz for the memory.
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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    ^^^ just raise your bclk slightly to give you 3.33ghz and 1333mhz ram speed,you shouldnt need to alter anything else,other than bclk/mem multi and uncore freq will be 2xram multi+1 so 8x ram multiplier is 17x uncore freq and so on..another thing i noticed in your settings you have c1e enabled?? are you hearing any mb noise like squeal? when listening to music or browsing net or in games? if so disable c1e and select balanced in windows power saving option,it will stop the noise and still throttle cpu when idle.set dram voltage to 1.66 or spec maybe 1.5v if its corsair,and set qpi/vtt voltage manually set to 1.3000 if its higher than that on auto
    Last edited by warren300; 04-17-2010 at 07:21 AM.
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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    Got the dram volts under control at 1.5V, but can't find how to monitor the qpi/vtt voltage. I think nominal is 1.175V but can't find where "auto" yields either in pc health sectin of bios, or with cpu-z, hwmonitor, or sisoft sandra. Guess this mobo just won't say.
    Will try some manual values.
    Right! Gotta go to work for a couple of days.
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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    look in easytune/tuner/advance/voltage1 it will list all your current voltages...dont use eastune to alter voltages though as it might freeze pc,set everything in the bios just use easytune to monitor things



    its the qpi/vtt-voltage you need to check
    Gigabyte ex58-ud5 f12 bios
    Intel i7 920 d0 @3.8ghz 24/7-normal cpu voltage 1.18750v/c1e/turbo/multi threading enabled
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    Thermolab Baram cpu cooler
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    1xsamsung 750gb hard drive-windows xp pro 32
    Ati x1950 pro gpu
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    Nzxt lexa case
    http://i40.tinypic.com/2z3w377.jpg <=3.8ghz overclock template

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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    So did you try further yet on your own?

    If so, and or not, and you need help please give us your current settings and let us know what you want to try and we will advise back.

    I saw several things that are not optimal really, but wasn't sure what your intended speeds were or if you were only using for testing so I did not advise anything yet.

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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    Have explored further and the updated short version is: BCLK 166, so cpu running at 3.33Ghz & memory at 1333Mhz/9-9-9-24.
    Max core temps (encoding video, where it matters to me) are much lower than previously with cpu vcore at "normal" and qpi/vtt at 1.295 (closest I could get to 1.3V advised by warren300).
    Although ET6 says "Power On" qpi/vtt is 1.435V, "Target" is 1.295V (as set in bios) so I am assuming that 1.295V is what I'm getting. Funnily enough warren300's screenshot of ET6 shows these two columns matching. Hmmm. Dunno why that is.
    After a few tests of performance vs max core temps etc at different cpu & ram speeds, it would make sense to stay at 3.33Ghz.
    So... have attached the current settings template.
    Quite a bit of it is still "auto" but seems to yield the same results with qpi link speed etc set manually, as advised in other threads. Same goes for the memory timings.
    So, any further ideas for tidying this up would be much appreciated. I have learned a lot so far!
    Last edited by mgwenz; 04-18-2010 at 05:02 PM. Reason: Spelling and grammar :-\
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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    You can ignore Easytune left columns, same as the BIOS left ones. Sometimes those are what has been used previously, other times random stuff you have never set, see below images of my current columns, both sides are crazy in places :)

    CRAZY! 0Mhz Power on and Target



    Funny, 0nm CPU w/ No FSB



    Similar to yours, some of my previous settings on left here




    Try these settings, should improve performance, but you may or may not notice unless you bench

    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled] (results in 3.49GHz under load)
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled] (Hey warren300, no excess noise so left this on) << Disabled, but all up to you
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Enabled] << Disabled, but all up to you
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. auto (results in 6GHz) << Set x36 or X44 (Later may require further tweaking)
    Uncore Frequency .......................... auto << Set x16-x18
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... 166 (results in cpu freq. 3.33GHz)
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Turbo] (reluctant to change this in case boot-roulette results... just left it alone as per optimized defaults) Fine, or Extreme
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO] << Set x8
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [AUTO] (results spd 1066, but bclk scales it to 1333 logically enough) << Manual, expert, then set each channel main timings one by one

    Channel A + B + C

    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................8 << Set 8 *See below comments
    tRCD .......................................8 << Set 8
    tRP .........................................8 << Set 8
    tRAS .......................................20 << Set 20
    Command Rate (CMD) ................1T <-from auto, above << Set 1T

    (although when up and running, CPU-Z reports timings as 9-9-9-24-1T which is what the jedec#4 column indicates) Are you looking at the SPD tab, or the memory tab? Just wanted to be sure, SPD is just the programmings not what is being used.

    About my suggestions above, you may or may not be able to use CAS8 since this is CAS9 ram. Auto or what you see on the left is not always used as mentioned above, only CPU-z Memory tab would show you what auto is giving you. If you want to use CAS8 and find you cannot, try setting 1.6-1.66 VDimm, and or more QPI/Vtt


    Advanced Voltage Control:

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled] << Enabled
    CPU Vcore ............................... normal << Set what you see in CPU-z at idle, or a bit above that until you see the same amount again at idle and same as what you had previously under load.
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ 1.295 << Fine, if you overclock more can help with stability, may also be able to use less
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... Auto << Set 1.8 or less

    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... Auto << Can set 1.5
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... Auto << 12-1.3 will help when you overclock more
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... Auto << 1.14-1.2 could help stability if you game, or video edit
    ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... Auto << Can set 1.5
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ Auto << Can set 1.1-1.14

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.5
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: EX58-UD3R, altering bios settings causes boot failure

    I think we're in a good place here, after nailing down what causes this thing to fail on boot sometimes. Any change from the memory multiplier from "auto" regardless of how correct any manual timings are (cas 9 as per the ram specs) still causes the melt-down. Same for uncore frequency, where "auto" is fine but x16,17, and 18 all cause the problem. Had to go back to a cmos clear with the ol' jumper and have ended up stable again with FI bios, 3.33GHz, 1333@9-9-9-24-1T, some nice cool core temps and voltages all round matching your advised settings.
    I call this a win... thank you for your help Lsdmeasap and warren300, you guys rock.
    These numbers represent getting good value out of this equipment, especially regarding the boot-fail scenario. The OC might not impress the real over-clockers, but I'm doing back flips here.
    Regards,
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