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    Default Re: EP45 UD3P + Q6700 OC Question

    You can always go lower in anything I suggest, what I suggested was only to try to get you at a running overclock, you may always need more and can certainly always use less if you get it stable.

    Yes, certain Vcore settings (In various BIOS Versions) will act funny like that, some will even remain the same as others when under load. You will just need to find the one that suits your overclock best.

    As for 435-440, that's up to you. You can always profile the 435 and come back to it later if you want, then keep trying at 440. To use profiles on the MAIN page of the BIOS press F11 to save and F12 to load. When using the load profile feature, always go back in MIT and check your memory multi after you load a profile, sometimes it gets set to Auto or something incorrect when loading from profiles.

    I thought it might be black, the question was made a while ago and we had a different forum skin/style that used black text so that must be why.

    I am not sure if we are sticking to this one, or will be going back to the other skin. I'll let the admin or the we-dev know about this issue so they can fix the question if we plan to stay on this one.

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    Hello,

    I updated to F10 BIOS this morthing and to be honest, I'm a little disappointed. The new BIOS requires most of my setting up to be stable. Also, when I over-tweak some settings, it forces me to clear the CMOS alot more frequently (I have to do it more than 20 times today). It seems to have less tolerance. I spent most of the morning trying to get 425x8 stable (which is easy with F6 BIOS). Then I have to loose the tRead to 10 to be able to get 430x8 stable. Then I have to up MCH voltage, change the driving strength and manually tweak the CPU ref to get into 440x8. I cannot get it pass 443x8 without having to increase the Vcore. So I think I'm on the edge of stability now :P (and may fall into the abyss of sudden BSOD haha).

    Current state:
    Vcore from CPU-Z: 1.392V
    Small FFT: Max 66 degree Celcius
    Larg FFT: Max 62 degree Celcius

    I have a few questions:
    1> I'm gonna let it run the Blend test tonight. Do you have any fine tweaking setting that I can try if there is any error pop up next morning?
    2> Advanced Clock Control: <-- I don't know much about this page of setting, I might need some explanation fromy you.
    3> If there is no error tomorrow morning, should I try to reduce the Voltages first, or should I tighten the RAM Timings first?
    4> Why there is sometimes I can get it to run prime95 for an hour without error. Then shutdown the computer, start it again, and it can no longer POST?
    5> Is my settings below good enough for 24/7 using?

    Thank you very much, this forums is really awesome. (I clicked some ads to help you guys :D).

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    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.-- Not Applicable
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 3.52GHz (440x8) 
     
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 440Mhz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................: [Disabled] 
     
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps 
     
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto] <--- Do I need to manually set this?
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.00D
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 880
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
     
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 5
    tRP'........................................... 5
    tRAS.......................................... 15
     
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 6 <--- I have to increase it for stability
    tWTR.......................................... 9 <--- I have to increase it for stability
    tWR............................................ 9 <--- I have to increase it for stability
    tRFC........................................... 75 <--- I have to increase it for stability
    tRTP........................................... 7 <--- I have to increase it for stability
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 2
     
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ 800MHz <--- Change back to 800 for stability
     
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................: 10 <--- I have to increase it to solve the 23 beeps
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
     
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................: 10 <--- I have to increase it to solve the 23 beeps
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
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    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
     
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    CPU
    Load-Line Calibration......................... Enabled
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: 1.42500V
    CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: 1.380V <--- On F6 BIOS, I can set it to 1.3V, now I have to keep it at 1.38V for stability
    CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: 1.500V <--- I'm not really sure about this, should I increase/decrease or keep it as it is?
     
    CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: 0.914V <--- have to set it manually to be able to boot
     
    CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......: -- Not Applicable
     
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: 1.320V <--- On F6 BIOS, I can set it to 1.28V, now I have to keep it at 1.32V or else the BSOD will appear with a memory error
    MCH Reference….…….0.760V...........: 0.914 <--- have to set it manually to be able to boot
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V............: 1.500V
    ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: 1.100V
     
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.100V
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: Auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V............: Auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V............: Auto
     
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Disabled] <--- temporary disable to overclock
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: -- Not Applicable
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: -- Not Applicable
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]
     
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    About the RAM, I think when I test it a long time ago with memtest+ it passed with this maximum setting 5-5-5-15 @1060MHz and with a more tightened timings (the lowest of your suggestion). So I don't understand why the timings need to be loosed in order to boot? Or doesn't memtest+ stress-test the memory enough?
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    Hmm, Give it a bit. I think you may just be too used to (Wanting to go back) the older BIOS possibly. But in the end, if you do not like the new BIOS and find nothing that bothers you with the old one then you can go back to it of course.

    Advanced clock control can and should all be left as is from optimized defaults (800/900/0/0), these should really not need changed until you are around 533 or more FSB.

    An hour prime95 run is no where near proving anything to be stable, of course it is OK, but still may not be stable. You should run prime92 12-24 hours to be sure, one hour test and then BSOD on reboot should let you know things are not stable

    24/7 use settings will be up to you to find, it would be best to keep tweaking them until you get 24 hours stable prime95 and 12 or so hours of Memtest86+. I also run at least 6-10 hours HCI memtest x4 within windows and 10 or so passes with Intel Burn Test before I consider something stable. Stability is of course up to you to decide, but one hour of prime is not going to cut it as you can see.

    I am not sure what you are meaning with your last comment, but I can say 8GB is not going to be stable at 1066Mhz so do not expect this to happen at all. Timings are good for your speed and memory amount, you can try lower later once you are sure you are stable.

    MCH Freq Latch, you can leave on auto and just choose what memory multi you want. If you set, like 333, then you can only choose memory multi's with B on them, 400 ones with D, and so on. Here is the list of each one for each strap. I find it easier to leave this on auto and choose which memory multi/strap you want but you can set it according to whatever memory multi/strap combination you are using.

    Yeap, 23 multiple fast beeps is way to low tRD most always. Did you try 2.00B memory multi, just wondering that will allow a lower tRD

    CPU Pll, I'd go ahead and increase that to 1.55-1.6

    Are you setting your MCH Ref properly? Link in my signature on how to do that? I just ask because you say you must set it, which is ok, but you should be doing it correctly otherwise you if you are doing it wrong that may be why you think you have to set it.

    I am not sure, since I am not there HAHA, maybe you should go back to the older BIOS as it does seem like you are having a tough time with this one?

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    I'll give this BIOS more time (about a week) before I decide to keep it or not.

    This BIOS has less tolerance. However, now I'm finding it a bit easier to overclock because I know right away whether the setting is wrong because it will not boot. Yah, I think I might get used to the last BIOS (almost a year!) and need time to change my mind haha :P.

    Yes, when I memtest my RAM a while ago, it could run @1060 for a night. However, as you said, it cannot run @1066 for more than a hour. Still, my memory frequency is just 880MHz now. So I don't understand why I have to loose the timings. The specs of this RAM is 1000MHz if I remember correctly.

    Everytime I try the 2.00B, my computer cannot post. It will have to reset itself a few times, then maybe 2 times of 23 beeps, then it will POST with a 2.16GHz clockspeed. And the funny thing is that my saved settings will no longer work after it. I have to load my 440x8 settings, then change the clock to boot with 400x8. After that add 10 Mhz and boot each time. If I change more than 15Mhz each time, there will be 23 beeps. Work that way until I have the same 440x8 again that can boot. I think I did something incorrectly. I don't know. Do I need to change anything else when I change it to 2.00B?

    The CPU Ref and MCH Ref is set my trial-and-error.
    First I set the VTT back to 1.20V, then I set the CPU Ref to 0.76. Then I up the CPU ref 2 notches and set my VTT back to 1.380V. That's how I do it now. Only this setting allows me to boot into windows. Do you think it's high or not? Because I heard somewhere that you can set the VTT higher and then reduce the CPU Ref.

    For the MCH, I just copy the CPU Ref and it works (auto won't work). So I didn't check other value.

    Here is the log of prime95. It runs for about 4h last night and the computer is reseted. Because the last 2 passed tests are 256K and 320K , I think the tests that made my computer reseted are 22k and 20k. So it's the CPU that is not stable. <--- my deduction could be wrong.

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    [Sun Mar 21 02:38:20 2010]
    Self-test 1024K passed!
    Self-test 1024K passed!
    Self-test 1024K passed!
    Self-test 1024K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 02:53:29 2010]
    Self-test 8K passed!
    Self-test 8K passed!
    Self-test 8K passed!
    Self-test 8K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 03:09:29 2010]
    Self-test 10K passed!
    Self-test 10K passed!
    Self-test 10K passed!
    Self-test 10K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 03:24:45 2010]
    Self-test 896K passed!
    Self-test 896K passed!
    Self-test 896K passed!
    Self-test 896K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 03:40:49 2010]
    Self-test 768K passed!
    Self-test 768K passed!
    Self-test 768K passed!
    Self-test 768K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 03:57:01 2010]
    Self-test 12K passed!
    Self-test 12K passed!
    Self-test 12K passed!
    Self-test 12K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 04:13:22 2010]
    Self-test 14K passed!
    Self-test 14K passed!
    Self-test 14K passed!
    Self-test 14K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 04:28:51 2010]
    Self-test 640K passed!
    Self-test 640K passed!
    Self-test 640K passed!
    Self-test 640K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 04:45:39 2010]
    Self-test 512K passed!
    Self-test 512K passed!
    Self-test 512K passed!
    Self-test 512K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 05:01:13 2010]
    Self-test 16K passed!
    Self-test 16K passed!
    Self-test 16K passed!
    Self-test 16K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 05:16:17 2010]
    Self-test 20K passed!
    Self-test 20K passed!
    Self-test 20K passed!
    Self-test 20K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 05:32:27 2010]
    Self-test 448K passed!
    Self-test 448K passed!
    Self-test 448K passed!
    Self-test 448K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 05:48:56 2010]
    Self-test 384K passed!
    Self-test 384K passed!
    Self-test 384K passed!
    Self-test 384K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 06:04:26 2010]
    Self-test 24K passed!
    Self-test 24K passed!
    Self-test 24K passed!
    Self-test 24K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 06:20:18 2010]
    Self-test 28K passed!
    Self-test 28K passed!
    Self-test 28K passed!
    Self-test 28K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 06:35:24 2010]
    Self-test 320K passed!
    Self-test 320K passed!
    Self-test 320K passed!
    Self-test 320K passed!
    [Sun Mar 21 06:51:24 2010]
    Self-test 256K passed!
    Self-test 256K passed!
    Self-test 256K passed!
    Self-test 256K passed!
    I need a little more stability. I'll increase the PLL to 1.59V. However, I'm clueless now if there is anymore error :P. Unless you say my CPU Ref and MCH Ref could be improved.

    It's a pity I don't know what the BSOD said, otherwise I might be able to give you more information. Do you know where I can get information on the last BSOD on my system?

    All I can get from the Even Manager are:
    Code:
    The previous system shutdown at 7:03:01 AM on ‎3/‎21/‎2010 was unexpected.
    The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x00000124 (0x0000000000000000, 0xfffffa8007b08028, 0x00000000b2000040, 0x0000000000000800). A dump was saved in: C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP. Report Id: 032110-19094-01.
    The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.
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    Sounds good, let it settle in then decide.

    1060 or 1066 not much difference really. I think you have many memory timings way looser than need be, why do you think you needed to do that? MCH ref manually set, along with your Vtt is what may be making your tRD have to be 10, 9 should be fine. Some of the other advanced are a bit loose as well, 555-15 or 555-18 are about the same, so you may want to use 555-18 and see if that helps things out. 1066 Driving strength will help as well, but you need to get your MCH ref, VTT, and tRD sorted first or it wont boot. 2.15 Vdimm may also help a lot, and is often needed when using more than one kit.

    I'd forget about 2.xxB as it depends on many things whether or not this will work above 400 FSB, and with 8GB you are really going to have a tough time.

    CPU ref is per CPU/Board, it will vary from user to user so I think you may be OK there.

    Be sure if you are going to mess with MCH Ref you also set it in the same manner with Vtt at stock then set MCH Ref and move Vtt back. I would suggest trying auto there for a while, if no luck try .74-.82 (With 1.20 Vtt set) Auto should always work, so your CPU ref settings may be messing that up

    Ya, that last part you posted is a BSOD code, 0x00000124 = More Vtt needed (Could also be caused by your manual Vtt/MCH Ref/MCH Core combo being out of whack)

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    First, I found something interesting. I put my PLL 1.59V and run the test for 30 minutes without problem. Then I open 3DS Max and start to animate my project, and about one minute, a BSOD appears. I try it again and find out that combine with prime95, 3DS max can make your computer crash faster . I will include Prime95 + 3DS Max rendering/animating as a part of the testing process from now

    Yah, I also think there is something with my VTT and CPU Ref. So I try to increase the VTT one notch at a time to 1.42V but all of them fail the Prime95 + 3DS Max stress with the same 0x00000124 error. Then I try to reduce the VTT to 1.36V and try the Prime95 + 3DS Max stress again. This time the BSOD error is something like SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION. I'm sorry I cannot remember the hex code, and my computer failed dumping the error down so I don't know what's wrong.

    I will try more combination of VTT and CPU Ref and will let MCH Ref sits on auto for a while.

    Do you think that I can safely assume that my Vcore is enough and my RAM setting is not the problem?
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    Well the thing with Vtt testing is really you need to set your MCH and CPU ref to auto while you are doing this, that way they are not part of the equation.

    0x00000124 means more, so your CPU may just need 1.45-1.5+ tun run that high of a clock, it's not abnormal at all.

    I don't think memory is an issue at this point, vcore possibly though? More towards Vtt and your other settings as of now though, if you start seeing 0x00000101 BSOD then you need more vcore and you might start seeing this once you get your Vtt issue fixed up ya never know.

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    Hello, I set my MCH and CPU ref to Auto, and then try to increase the VTT step by step. When I'm at 1.52V VTT, the error start to change to 0x0000000A Irql_Not_Less_or_Equal one time. However, when I restart and do the stress test one more time, it is still 0x0124 again..

    At this time, I'm afraid of more VTT (it's already 1.52v).. so what's next?

    I will try VRAM at 2.14V but I'm not sure it will help.
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    Default Re: EP45 UD3P + Q6700 OC Question

    More, or your CPU just may not be one that will run 3.4+ without using extreme voltages. I would say it's probably best to try for a lower overclock as that is a high Vtt

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