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    Default GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = Fail?

    Hello first of all I am an foreigner and so please do not mind possible spelling mistakes.

    Here is my system:

    PSU: TAGAN TG480-U15 480 Watt (I also used an Enermax MODU82+ 625W EMD625AWT)
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7300
    Mobo: Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L (Bios version F9e)
    RAM: Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A 2x2GB DDR2 800 kit
    GPU: Sappire Radeon HD4850 512 MB dual slot fan

    My problem is that my system gets unstable after 24 hours of continuous usage. If i stress it with prime95 (blend torture test) in parallel with Furmark 1.7 i usually get a BSOD after 8 to 12 hours saying "MEMORY_MANAGEMENT". If i do a hard reset and run immediately memtest86+ i get too many errors (as if the BIOS has lost its settings). When the system powers down (using power button or after changing an crucial setting in bios) there are no errors in memtest at the next power up. And after 8-12 hours the same is happening...

    These are some BIOS settings i have used (even went down to 667 MHz but no result)

    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 10x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66 GHZ (266x10)
    
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 266
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [disabled]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [266]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.5A / 3.0A
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 667 /  800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 4/ 5
    tRCD ......................................... 4/ 5
    tRP'........................................... 4 / 5
    tRAS.......................................... 12 / 15
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3
    tWTR.......................................... 3 
    tWR............................................ 5/ 6
    tRFC........................................... 43/ 52
    tRTP........................................... 3
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ 1066
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:5/6/7
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:auto
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:5/6/7
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………...
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: normal
    CPU Termination…..........................: normal
    CPU PLL…………………......................: normal
    CPU Referen.………….......................: normal
    
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core……………................: 1.200V
    ICH I/O……………….................: normal
    
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............:2.0V
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB
    Under load the voltages reported are:

    Code:
    CPU Vcore : 1.18 V
    DDR: 2.0 V
    +3.0V: 3.26 - 3.28V
    +5V:  5.11 V
    +12V: 12.22 V
    VBAT: 3.14 V
    Is this motherboard incompatible with the Ballistix? Or the ballistix have failed? I did give them for testing to the local store from which i had bought them but they said that they are O.K. and maybe is some other part which causes the problem but i don not trust them. I highly doubt that they test them for 24 hours

    I just put on 2x1GB ADATA AD2800001GMU DDR 667 (overclocked to 800MHZ 5-5-5-15 1.8V) with no stability problems up to now (but I have not yet stressed the system for 24 hours). I have used them back when the ballistix where at the store for testing with no problems either.
    Last edited by undertaker; 04-22-2010 at 06:41 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    It should be compatible, I personally reviewed these kits on P45 and I think P43 should be the same. My review has several sets of timings, if you want to read that later the link is in my signature.

    I will help you now with your current settings though too.

    WOW, there is really no need to test using prime95 and furmark at the same time. You should do this sperately, I could see this causing errors anytime because the system would be fighting over CPU and memory cycles, when there would be none to go around.

    Sometimes it is easier to get stable if you overclock the CPU, I know that might sound crazy but I am serious.

    Anyway, try these settings and see if it helps you for now

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: auto
    CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 10x
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.+0.0
    CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.66 GHZ (266x10)

    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 266
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]

    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0ps

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance...................: [disabled] << Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [266]
    System Memory Multiplier ..............: Try 3.20B and if that does not work use 3.00A
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800-850
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [manual]

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time........................ 4
    tRCD ......................................... 4
    tRP'........................................... 4
    tRAS.......................................... 12

    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD........................................... 3
    tWTR.......................................... 3-6
    tWR............................................ 4-6
    tRFC........................................... 52-62
    tRTP........................................... 3
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2

    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ............................ 1066 << Normally this is best, but since you are running a lower FSB it may not be and you may need to use 800 here

    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.........................:5/6/7 << Set 7 for now
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:auto

    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.........................:5/6/7 << Set 7 for now
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................: auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................: auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................: auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................: auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type.………...
    CPU
    CPU Vcore….……….........................: normal << Set Auto if using stock FSB and CPU Mutli which you are (IE: Auto if no overclock)
    CPU Termination…..........................: normal << Set 1.2-1.25
    CPU PLL…………………......................: normal << Set Auto
    CPU Referen.………….......................: normal << Set Auto


    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core……………................: 1.200V << Set 1.24 (If 1.2-1.24 does not help, try less than default some of the P45-UDx models needed this for some reason? Meaning try 1.0-1.1, but the normal amount needed would be 1.2-1.24 or so
    ICH I/O……………….................: normal << Set Auto


    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............:2.0V << May need 2.12-2.14 or so, what does 2.0V give you actual? You can check by looking in the PC Health section.

    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    Thanks for the reply. I am currently testing the 2x1GB adata configuration just to make sure that my motherboard is not defective. These are my current settings and voltages:

    Memset:



    SPD timings:



    Voltages and temperatures:



    And here the current results of furmark



    and prime95



    So far it is stable.

    Theoretically the computer should not get unstable because of the stressing. It might become irresponsible but it should not produce BSODs and prime95 errors. (Or so they taught us in the operating systems and computer architecture lessons of our school) I run the tests on parallel because they reproduce the instability faster. Also furmark puts some stress to the pci-x bus.

    I shall put on the Ballistix again after finishing the test and test your settings. Cross fingers it ll be stable after 24 hours (12 hour to go), for now...

    PS.

    • Is it ok to put the Ballistix to 2.1 volts? They are the 2.0V version. Will this void my warranty?
    • My MCH has only 1.0-1.1-1.2-1.3-1.4 volts as choices. Should i try 1.3? Will this not overheat my Northbridge?
    • Setting ram to 2.0v give me 2.01v or so in the PC Health. Only my +3.3v rail drops down to 3.28 after increasing the MCH voltage.
    Last edited by undertaker; 04-26-2010 at 08:17 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    So the system is rock stable using the Adata pair for 28 hours of stressing with both prime95 and furmark. So the motherboard is not defective to begin with.

    I m putting on the Ballistix...

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    Let us know how you get along.

    Keep in mind for 4x1GB or 2x2GB you will need to make several of your own manual changes, auto usually is not going to work very well.

    If you still have issues post me your current full settings and I will advise back on things to try next

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Let us know how you get along.

    Keep in mind for 4x1GB or 2x2GB you will need to make several of your own manual changes, auto usually is not going to work very well.

    If you still have issues post me your current full settings and I will advise back on things to try next
    Well now i am using the following settings (as they read using everest)



    I am using 3.2B multiplier



    and for your reference here is the complete spd settings of the ballistix



    Using CAS 4 failed. I got a BSOD immediately!
    About votages am still using MCH core voltage 1.2 volt and DIMM voltage 2.0v. These are the voltages as read from everest



    The system is currently under stressing. So these are voltages and temperatures on full load.

    Hope i hear you soon!
    Last edited by undertaker; 04-26-2010 at 08:18 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    You may have better luck using CAS 4 if you up your FSB to 333 and use the 2.40B memory multi with tRD 7-8.

    And you may need to use MCH 1.3 since you do not have intervals between 1.2-1.3 on this board.

    3.20B on 266 FSB may also be what caused CAS 4 to fail for you, not sure? Did you try 3.00A which would be the correct strap/multi for your FSB

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    You may have better luck using CAS 4 if you up your FSB to 333 and use the 2.40B memory multi with tRD 7-8.
    Will try that next if stressing now fails.

    And you may need to use MCH 1.3 since you do not have intervals between 1.2-1.3 on this board.
    And this also.

    3.20B on 266 FSB may also be what caused CAS 4 to fail for you, not sure? Did you try 3.00A which would be the correct strap/multi for your FSB
    well using 3.00A has failed numerous times before, but i think i had never relaxed tRD to 7. Will try that also.

    Btw on my current settings (FSB 266, multi 3.2B, CAS 5) Driving Strength 800 gives me triple boot. I am using 1066.

    Thanks for the reply.

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    Cool, well keep at it and I am sure you you will get it going the way you want, if not I am sure together we will.

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    Default Re: GA-EP43-DS3L + Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT25664AA80A (2 x 2GB DDR2 800 Mhz kit ) = F

    Well i finally got it stable for more than 24 hours! Here are my settings:

    Code:
    ###############################################################
    # MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)                              #
    ###############################################################
    
    Robust Graphics Booster ......................: [auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ..............................: [8x]
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio..........................: [+0.0]
    CPU Frequency ................................: 2.66 GHZ (333x8)
    
    ****** Clock Chip Control ******
    >>>>>Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control........................: [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) .....................: 333
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ..................: 100
    C.I.A.2 ......................................: [Disabled]
    >>>>>Advanced Clock Control 
    Advanced Clock Control........................: [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...............................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive.......................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)...........................: 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...........................: 0ps
    
    ****** DRAM Performance Control ******
    Performance Enhance...........................: [standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)...............: [Profile1]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch........................: [333]
    System Memory Multiplier .....................: [2.5B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................800....: 800
    DRAM Timing Selectable ...............(SPD)...: [auto]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time.......................4......: [auto]
    tRCD ..................................4......: [auto]
    tRP'...................................4......: [auto]
    tRAS...................................12.....: [auto]
    
    >>>>> Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter]
    Advanced Timing Control.......................: [Press Enter]
    tRRD....................................3.....: [auto]
    tWTR....................................3.....: [auto]
    tWR.....................................6.....: [auto]
    tRFC....................................52....: [auto]
    tRTP....................................3.....: [auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) .....................0.....: [auto]
    
    >>>>> Channel A
    Channel A Timing Settings.....................: [Press Enter]
    Static tRead Value.....................6......: auto
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................0......: auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................0......: auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................0......: auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................0......: auto
    
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................6......: auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................6......: auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................5......: auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................8......: auto
    
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control......................: auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control......................: auto
    DDR Write Training............................: auto
    
    Channel A Driving Settings....................: [Press Enter]
    Driving Strength Profile......................: auto
    
    Data Driving Pull-Up Level....................: auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level.....................: auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level....................: auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Up Level.....................: auto
    
    Data Driving Pull-Down Level..................: auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level...................: auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level..................: auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Down Level...................: auto
    
    >>>>> Channel B
    Channel B Timing Settings.....................: [Press Enter]
    Static tRead Value.....................7......: auto
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................1......: auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................0......: auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................1......: auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................1......: auto
    
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................6......: auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................6......: auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................5......: auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................8......: auto
    
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control......................: auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control......................: auto
    DDR Write Training............................: auto
    
    Channel B Driving Settings....................: [Press Enter]
    Driving Strength Profile......................: auto
    
    Data Driving Pull-Up Level....................: auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level.....................: auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level....................: auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Up Level.....................: auto
    
    Data Driving Pull-Down Level..................: auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level...................: auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level..................: auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Down Level...................: auto
    
    ****** Motherboard Voltage Control ******
    
    >>>CPU
    CPU Vcore.............................1.22500V: [1.22500V]
    CPU Termination.......................1.200V..: [1.200V]
    CPU PLL...............................1.550V..: [auto]
    CPU Referen...........................0.885V..: [auto]
    
    
    >>>MCH/ICH
    MCH Core..............................1.100V...: [1.200V]
    ICH I/O...............................1.550V...: [auto]
    
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage..........................1.800V...: [2.000V]
    
    
    ###############################################################
    # Advanced Settings                                           #
    ###############################################################
    
    
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3..........................: [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect......................: [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)........................: [Enabled]
    C2/C2E State Support...........................: [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support.........................: [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ....................: [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function..............................: [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology......................: [Disabled]
    
    
    ###############################################################
    # Integrated Peripherals                                      #
    ###############################################################
    
    
    Legacy USB Storage Detect .....................: [Enabled]
    Memset gives this:



    I ll try to set the values reported from auto manually and (I'll set channel's B tRD to 6) inform you how it is going...

    Till next time!
    Last edited by undertaker; 04-26-2010 at 09:39 AM.

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