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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Let us know how you get along with your testing, it very well could be the two IDE drives causing the issues, or one of them at least

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    well perliminary results are good.

    The boot process does:
    1. Check memory Dual Channel interleaved.
    2. Detect IDE Drives (Channel 4)
    3. Detect AHCI connected drives
    4. Verifying DMI Pool
    5. Boot windows.

    I had cold boot success after 14 hours of the computer being turned off. But...
    It hung for about 8-10 seconds on step 2 above, and now I am in windows I have no DVD or IDE Drive showing up. I will remove the drive, I think its the culprit...

    I will also give 5 to 10 seconds before attempting to find the drives, to see if this helps.


    Will let you know how it goes, but I think I am on the right path now.

    Cheers
    Last edited by jcrawfor74; 07-08-2010 at 10:19 PM.
    Mother Board: GA-EP4-DS3 Bios: F10d
    CPU: Core 2 Duo E8400 (E0), Cooler: Aywun A1-V10
    PSU: Zalman ZM600-ST, Memory: Corsair CM2X2048-8500C5C (4GB Ram)
    Video: Asus EAH3850/G/HTDI/512M, Trying to OC to 4.0Ghz

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Please post an ET6 screen-shot (Tuner -> Advance -> Voltage) to show the actual applied voltage settings.
    CPU PLL and CPU Termination (VTT) are usually too high when you overclock and have these set to AUTO.
    Using NORMAL for these settings is probably OK.
    The ET6 screen-shot in post #26 shows that CPU PLL = AUTO is too high.
    Lucky, post # 26 is not my machine! my original ET6 screen shot when running @ 445 - 4.0Ghz is on post #16. I will post the image of my ET6 if it looks significantly different from post #16 when I get home.

    To Yuu, I have no issues with stability, my machine is rock solid @ 4.0Ghz once up and running, I just have this cold booting issue.
    Note: the booting issue still occurs when running @ 400Mhz - 3.6Ghz, so 445 doesn't seem to be a magical failure number for me.
    (by the way thanks for trying to help :-) )

    Next steps I will try are:
    1. Try a new IDE Cable
    2. Try giving my ide drive more time by increasing the Delay before checking for the hard drives
    3. Try removing my old IDE drive and see if it can cold boot with the DVD drive only
    4. Try removing my DVD drive and see if it can cold boot with the IDE drive only

    Cheers
    Last edited by jcrawfor74; 07-09-2010 at 10:56 AM.
    Mother Board: GA-EP4-DS3 Bios: F10d
    CPU: Core 2 Duo E8400 (E0), Cooler: Aywun A1-V10
    PSU: Zalman ZM600-ST, Memory: Corsair CM2X2048-8500C5C (4GB Ram)
    Video: Asus EAH3850/G/HTDI/512M, Trying to OC to 4.0Ghz

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    I would also add this to your test list
    5. Remove both IDE devices and test

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    I've always run with Delay For HDD = 6 or 7 seconds.
    I have a Pioneer 112D IDE optical drive installed and have never had cold boot issues.
    I don't have any IDE hard drives in my system.

    Your ET6 voltages in post #16 look good, were these using NORMAL settings for most of the voltages?

    Your cold boot startup issue might be related to your psu, even though everything else is stable. You might want to test with a different psu if the cold boot problem isn't solved by disconnecting one or both of your IDE drives.

    Nice review on your cpu cooler. The Aywun website has a link to your review.
    Near as I can tell, your cpu cooler isn't available on this side of the pond.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    I would also add this to your test list
    5. Remove both IDE devices and test
    I chose not to do that one as that is effectively the same as what I did in post #32, cold boot into windows successfully with no drives showing up ;-)

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Yes but you said it hung on IDE Detect still though, did you have the drives connected?

    If you did I still advise a NO IDE connected test

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Yes but you said it hung on IDE Detect still though, did you have the drives connected?

    If you did I still advise a NO IDE connected test
    Sorry, use of the word hung may have confused the issue.

    When I cold booted the system with my IDE DVD and HD attached it just seemed to take slightly longer on the IDE Detect step before saying that it could not find anything and then with AHCI it proceeded to successfully detected the SATA drives and booted into Windows, but my IDE drives were missing in windows cause they were not detected, by the bios on boot.

    I have been doing further testing and I have come to the conclusion that I have a "dry solder joint" issue with my IDE channel.

    My computer is in a small home office setup in my gararge, (it has been converted from use as a gararge so is carpeted with internal walls, paint etc), and in Australia we are now in winter. I generally use the computer in the evenings so the ambient temperature is generally around/below 14 degrees.

    I have removed the IDE HD and am just running with the IDE DVD on the IDE channel running as Slave.

    I have re-installed my bios and returned to Optimised settings running stock 3.0Ghz. I have even set my HD detect timeout to 15 seconds (max).

    I have tested multiple cold boots and it is still not detecting the ide drives on the first boot.

    Test scenario 1:
    1. Cold boot machine.
    2. Fails to detect IDE drives
    3. Turn off.
    4. Go away, wait 30 minutes and repeat

    Results: Fails to detect the IDE devices every time.

    Test Scenario 2:
    1. Cold boot machine.
    2. Fails to detect IDE drives.
    3. Wait on boot screen for another 10-15 seconds, (so machine has been powered on for approx 30 seconds)
    4. Ctrl + Alt + Delete

    Result: Machine reboots detects devices successfully and boots into windows.

    Test Scenario 3:
    1. Turn on heater in room and raise ambient temperature to approx 18 degrees
    2. Cold Boot machine.
    3. Detects ide drives and boots.

    I will do some more runs of the Test scenarios to ensure that it is consistently reproducible.

    My idea is that in scenario 2 the time delay allows for the motherboard to warm up slighlty and the faulty connection makes contact and its all good, and this would be the same reason why Test Scenario 3 works as well.

    Sound plauseable?
    Mother Board: GA-EP4-DS3 Bios: F10d
    CPU: Core 2 Duo E8400 (E0), Cooler: Aywun A1-V10
    PSU: Zalman ZM600-ST, Memory: Corsair CM2X2048-8500C5C (4GB Ram)
    Video: Asus EAH3850/G/HTDI/512M, Trying to OC to 4.0Ghz

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Oh, forgot to mention results of my tests

    1. Try a new IDE Cable
    No Change - IDE devices still not detected on cold boot
    2. Try giving my ide drive more time by increasing the Delay before checking for the hard drives
    No Change - IDE devices still not detected on cold boot
    3. Try removing my old IDE drive and see if it can cold boot with the DVD drive only
    No Change - IDE devices still not detected on cold boot
    4. Try removing my DVD drive and see if it can cold boot with the IDE drive only
    No Change - IDE devices still not detected on cold boot

    Here is a screen shot of one thing it does, sometimes it wil not detect the DVD drive other times it will think that SATA0 is actually SATA4. SATA 4 slave should be my DVD!

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    Mother Board: GA-EP4-DS3 Bios: F10d
    CPU: Core 2 Duo E8400 (E0), Cooler: Aywun A1-V10
    PSU: Zalman ZM600-ST, Memory: Corsair CM2X2048-8500C5C (4GB Ram)
    Video: Asus EAH3850/G/HTDI/512M, Trying to OC to 4.0Ghz

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    Default Re: GA-EP45-DS3 E8400 Overclock cold boot issues, faulty ram channel?

    Hmm from your thoughts and testing I think you may be right about this cold solder joint!

    I suppose you could RMA if you wanted after all this testing

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