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    Default Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    I have to DACs stuck into my MA-790 XT. Advertised clock speed is 1333 MHZ, but I've never been able to run anything but 1066 stable. Across Windows XP, XP64. Windows 7 RC 64 and 7 64, I experience a crash withing minutes (5 mins to under an hour).
    If I recall correctly, at least in Win 7, the BSOD has been 'paged fault in non-paged area' or something to that effect.
    After seeing a similar thread with the same board, I decided to register at TweakTown and post here, and see if I can't get advertised performance (or more?) out of these sticks, simply for performance sake and to complement a possible CPU upgrade in the near future. (Athlon II X2 250 to Phenom 9x5 II x4 /BE) If you'd like to help me, I will do my best to provide further details if requested. As this is my first post, feel free to refer me to some key stickies as well.
    Thanks,
    'Asz'
    Also, how do you format text on these forums?
    *edit* script-blocked killed formatting.
    Last edited by Aszamoine; 06-08-2010 at 10:18 AM.

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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    Can you fill out a signature? At the top of the page you may want to click the settings tab. then in the left pain scroll to signature. List all of your desktop components and then if you want you can change the font size and color. Save and Exit. Allow a little time for the forum to load the signature. This signature will appear each time you post. I should look simular to mine in green below.

    Is that memory designed for AMD or Intel? Research your memory. Did you adjust the voltages for the type and amount of memory your using?
    Athlon II X2 250 CPU's have a memory controller in the CPU. Did you check the details on the memory controller?

    AMD Athlon™ II Processor Model Numbers and Comparisons
    According to AMD the X2 does not support 1333Mhz. So to go over 1066Mhz with that CPU you will need to treat it as an overclock.
    Type of Memory Supported X2 - Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066MHz) -AND- PC3-8500 (DDR3-1066MHz)
    X3 and X4 - Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066MHz) -AND- PC3 10600 (DDR3-1333MHz)
    Last edited by artdrivers; 06-08-2010 at 09:34 AM.
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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    Thanks for the help, please don't sue me for sig format plagiarism.
    If the OC is not likely to jeopardize the parts sans-cooling then I might do it, but otherwise, I can rest assured that it will possibly function normally with a later processor.

    I might investigate the compatibility. As for Intel vs AMD design compatibility, I wasn't aware that this was seriously done - never seen it in fine print, I've only seen it in the same gimmicky way that certain PC games 'run best on intel' or 'looks best on NVIDIA' etc...
    CPU: Athlon II X2 250 3.0 Ghz w/stock Cooler
    Mobo: Gigabyte MA-MA790 XT
    GPU+: Sapphire HD 5770

    Ram: 4GB Patriot Viper 1333Mhz @ 1066Mhz, likely PVS34G1333LLK
    (2) WD Caviar 250GB in SATA RAID-0 (2500JB -00GVC0 and -0REA0; with IDE to SATA adapter)
    (1) WD Seagate 500 GB in SATA AHCI
    (1) OCZ Vertex 60 GB SATA
    (1) IDE 4x DVDRW
    OCZ ? 1000 Watt PSU
    Large ATX case bent up, 6 years of wear and MDG branding despite having nothing purchased through them inside it but the frontpanel and DVD RW.
    Antiquated PS/2 Compaq keyboard that resists having water spilled on it.
    Logitech MBT96a USB mouse
    Monitor: A Studioworks E700B...
    Windows 7 64bit Professional

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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    I might investigate the compatibility. As for Intel vs AMD design compatibility, I wasn't aware that this was seriously done - never seen it in fine print, I've only seen it in the same gimmicky way that certain PC games 'run best on intel' or 'looks best on NVIDIA' etc...
    Yes most of the time it does make a difference. Especially when using a CPU with the memory controller in the CPU.
    There are many different Patriot Viper Memory modules. Patriot Memory - Products
    You will want to investigate for a part number on your memory. This is very important on some memory to get the specifications for setting the voltages. This part number can be found on the memory, or in the SPD tab of some programs like CPUZ. When installing this version of CPUZ you may want to uncheck the boxes for the extra installations like the ASK Browser and such. You may want to keep the desktop icon they offer an option for this also. Then when the program is installed go to the desktop and open CPUID_CPUZ Then open the SPD tab to find the part number of your memory.
    http://www.cpuid.com/medias/files/so...4-setup-en.exe
    Most DDR3 Patriot memory will have an A at the end for AMD memory. Example--->
    AMDPatriot Memory - Products
    INTELPatriot Memory - Products
    Last edited by artdrivers; 06-08-2010 at 08:06 PM.
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    Phenom II 945 @ 3.2Ghz w/Thermaltake Big Typhoon Pro 14 CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1 F11
    Sapphire 3870HD / 100225L / 512MB / ddr4
    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
    Logitech G500 USB mouse
    Monitor: CMV937A
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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    Well, until I crack the case, the best I can do is CPU-z, which lists i as "1333LL Series" which likely (looks like it) means one these products: Patriot Memory - Patriot Extreme Performance Memory. PVS34G1333LLK, Memory Timings: 7-7-7-20 Voltage 1.7V

    Can I safely change these timings without changing advanced timings? How risky would you say this over-clock is?
    Last edited by Aszamoine; 06-09-2010 at 09:43 PM.
    CPU: Athlon II X2 250 3.0 Ghz w/stock Cooler
    Mobo: Gigabyte MA-MA790 XT
    GPU+: Sapphire HD 5770

    Ram: 4GB Patriot Viper 1333Mhz @ 1066Mhz, likely PVS34G1333LLK
    (2) WD Caviar 250GB in SATA RAID-0 (2500JB -00GVC0 and -0REA0; with IDE to SATA adapter)
    (1) WD Seagate 500 GB in SATA AHCI
    (1) OCZ Vertex 60 GB SATA
    (1) IDE 4x DVDRW
    OCZ ? 1000 Watt PSU
    Large ATX case bent up, 6 years of wear and MDG branding despite having nothing purchased through them inside it but the frontpanel and DVD RW.
    Antiquated PS/2 Compaq keyboard that resists having water spilled on it.
    Logitech MBT96a USB mouse
    Monitor: A Studioworks E700B...
    Windows 7 64bit Professional

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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    Not at all risky if you monitor your temperatures. You can monitor your temperatures by downloading a program like CPUID Hardware monitor. http://www.cpuid.com/medias/files/so...1.16-setup.exe
    You can also look in BIOS
    Code:
    PC Health Status
    Reset Case Open Status [Disabled]
    Case Opened No
    Vcore 1.376V
    DDR3 1.5V 1.536V
    +3.3V 3.328V
    +12V 12.112V
    Current System Temperature 30oC
    Current CPU Temperature 47oC
    Current CPU FAN Speed 3375 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN1 Speed 0 RPM
    Current SYSTEM FAN2 Speed 0 RPM
    Current POWER FAN Speed 0 RPM
    CPU Warning Temperature [Disabled]
    CPU FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    SYSTEM FAN1 Fail Warning [Disabled]
    SYSTEM FAN2 Fail Warning [Disabled]
    POWER FAN Fail Warning [Disabled]
    CPU Smart FAN Control [Enabled]
    CPU Smart FAN Mode [Auto]
    System Smart FAN Control [Enabled]
    The memory may not be designed for AMD.
    If the voltage needs increased to 1.7V it will need to be set manualy in BIOS.
    You may want to try these settings after you record your temperatures, and before adjusting the timing items. Then take another look at teperatures. Let us know how that goes and then we will work on the timing items. Dont forget to save and exit bios. When first changed it does nothing until you save and exit. Then you can go back into BIOS or Windows to check voltages and temps.
    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
     Advanced Clock Calibratioin [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Ratio [Auto] 2800Mhz
    CPU NorthBridge Freq. [Auto] 2000Mhz
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency (MHz) 200
    PCIE Clock (MHz) [Auto]
    HT Link Width [Auto]
    HT Link Frequency [Auto]
    Set Memory Clock [Auto]
    x Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
     DRAM Configuration [Press Enter]
    ******** System Voltage Optimized ********
    System Voltage Control [Manual]
    x DDR3 Voltage Control +0.20
    x NorthBridge Volt Control +0.20
    x SouthBridge Volt Control +0.20
    x CPU NB VID Control Normal+0.02
    x CPU Voltage Control Normal
    Normal CPU Vcore 1.2500V
    Last edited by artdrivers; 06-10-2010 at 12:12 AM.
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    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
    Logitech G500 USB mouse
    Monitor: CMV937A
    7.1+2 Channel High Definition ALC889A
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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    PC seems stable, temperatures steady at around 53 degrees these voltages, was 51. Will get more readings during more intense use.
    Last edited by Aszamoine; 06-10-2010 at 07:04 AM.
    CPU: Athlon II X2 250 3.0 Ghz w/stock Cooler
    Mobo: Gigabyte MA-MA790 XT
    GPU+: Sapphire HD 5770

    Ram: 4GB Patriot Viper 1333Mhz @ 1066Mhz, likely PVS34G1333LLK
    (2) WD Caviar 250GB in SATA RAID-0 (2500JB -00GVC0 and -0REA0; with IDE to SATA adapter)
    (1) WD Seagate 500 GB in SATA AHCI
    (1) OCZ Vertex 60 GB SATA
    (1) IDE 4x DVDRW
    OCZ ? 1000 Watt PSU
    Large ATX case bent up, 6 years of wear and MDG branding despite having nothing purchased through them inside it but the frontpanel and DVD RW.
    Antiquated PS/2 Compaq keyboard that resists having water spilled on it.
    Logitech MBT96a USB mouse
    Monitor: A Studioworks E700B...
    Windows 7 64bit Professional

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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    OK looks good you have head room on that temperature for that cpu. Max is 74°C
    AMD Processors for Desktops: AMD Phenom™, AMD Athlon™ FX, AMD Athlon™ X2 Dual-Core, AMD Athlon™, and AMD Sempron™ Processor
    If you wish you can try 1333Mhz at 7-7-7-20 This will require more changes in BIOS.
    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
     Advanced Clock Calibratioin [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Ratio [Auto] 2800Mhz
    CPU NorthBridge Freq. [Auto] 2000Mhz
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency (MHz) 200
    PCIE Clock (MHz) [Auto]
    HT Link Width [Auto]
    HT Link Frequency [Auto]
    Set Memory Clock [Manual]
    x Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
     DRAM Configuration [Press Enter] Save&exit restart
    ******** System Voltage Optimized ********
    System Voltage Control [Manual]
    x DDR3 Voltage Control +0.20
    x NorthBridge Volt Control +0.20
    x SouthBridge Volt Control +0.20
    x CPU NB VID Control Normal+0.02
    x CPU Voltage Control Normal
    Normal CPU Vcore 1.2500V
    Last edited by artdrivers; 06-10-2010 at 08:55 AM.
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ench-test.html
    http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/FileList...ios_qflash.pdf
    Phenom II 945 @ 3.2Ghz w/Thermaltake Big Typhoon Pro 14 CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1 F11
    Sapphire 3870HD / 100225L / 512MB / ddr4
    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
    Logitech G500 USB mouse
    Monitor: CMV937A
    7.1+2 Channel High Definition ALC889A
    Dual boot Windows 7 32bit home & Windows 7 64bit home


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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    After you change DDR3 Timing Items to manual Save&Exit go back into bios motherboard intelegent tweaker check timings You may want a photo or use this as a template and write them down. Then if you would post them here for us to examine.
    Code:
    DRAM Configuration
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency (MHz) 200
    Set Memory Clock [Auto]
    x Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
    DCTs Mode [Unganged]
    DDR3 Timing Items [Manual] SPD Auto
    x CAS# latency Auto 7T 7T
    x RAS to CAS R/W Delay Auto 7T 7T
    x Row Precharge Time Auto 7T 7T
    x Minimum RAS Active Time Auto 20T 20T
    x 1T/2T Command Timing Auto - - - -
    x TwTr Command Delay Auto 5T 5T
    x Trfc0 for DIMM1 Auto 90ns 90ns
    x Trfc2 for DIMM2 Auto - - - -
    x Trfc1 for DIMM3 Auto - - - -
    x Trfc3 for DIMM4 Auto - - - -
    x Write Recovery Time Auto 10T 10T
    x Precharge Time Auto 5T 5T
    x Row Cycle Time Auto 28T 28T
    x RAS to RAS Delay Auto 4T 4T
    Last edited by artdrivers; 06-10-2010 at 09:03 AM.
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ench-test.html
    http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/FileList...ios_qflash.pdf
    Phenom II 945 @ 3.2Ghz w/Thermaltake Big Typhoon Pro 14 CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H rev.1.1 F11
    Sapphire 3870HD / 100225L / 512MB / ddr4
    4GB / Kingston / KHX8500D2K2/2GN / 5-5-5-18 / 1066Mhz
    (2) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA RAID-0
    (1) WD Caviar / WD2500AAKS/ 250GB in SATA AHCI
    (2) IDE's 1 8XdualDVDRW 1 52x32x52x CDRW
    Antec /Neo HE550 / 550W
    Mid size ATX case with show through panel
    2) 80x80 front fans (1) 120x120 rear fan and small nb fan
    Microsoft comfort curve USB keyboard 2000 ver.1.0
    Logitech G500 USB mouse
    Monitor: CMV937A
    7.1+2 Channel High Definition ALC889A
    Dual boot Windows 7 32bit home & Windows 7 64bit home


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    Default Re: Underclocked Patriot Viper Ram (Memory Timings)

    Code:
    DRAM Configuration
    CPU Host Clock Control [Auto]
    x CPU Frequency (MHz) 200
    Set Memory Clock [Auto]
    x Memory Clock x6.66 1333Mhz
    DCTs Mode [Unganged]
    DDR3 Timing Items [Manual] SPD Auto
    x CAS# latency Auto 7T 7T
    x RAS to CAS R/W Delay Auto 7T 9T
    x Row Precharge Time Auto 7T 9T
    x Minimum RAS Active Time Auto 20T 25T
    x 1T/2T Command Timing Auto - - - -
    x TwTr Command Delay Auto 4T 5T
    x Trfc0 for DIMM1 Auto 110ns 110ns (but manual default was 90ns)
    x Trfc2 for DIMM2 Auto - - - -
    x Trfc1 for DIMM3 Auto - - - -
    x Trfc3 for DIMM4 Auto 110ns 110ns (but manual default was 90ns)
    x Write Recovery Time Auto 80T 10T
    x Precharge Time Auto 3T 3T
    x Row Cycle Time Auto 27T 34T
    x RAS to RAS Delay Auto 4T 5T
    I tried adjusting the values to the SPD settings listed but that seemed to introduce system
    instability - program crashes and a BSOD, as did simply using auto.
    </pre>
    CPU: Athlon II X2 250 3.0 Ghz w/stock Cooler
    Mobo: Gigabyte MA-MA790 XT
    GPU+: Sapphire HD 5770

    Ram: 4GB Patriot Viper 1333Mhz @ 1066Mhz, likely PVS34G1333LLK
    (2) WD Caviar 250GB in SATA RAID-0 (2500JB -00GVC0 and -0REA0; with IDE to SATA adapter)
    (1) WD Seagate 500 GB in SATA AHCI
    (1) OCZ Vertex 60 GB SATA
    (1) IDE 4x DVDRW
    OCZ ? 1000 Watt PSU
    Large ATX case bent up, 6 years of wear and MDG branding despite having nothing purchased through them inside it but the frontpanel and DVD RW.
    Antiquated PS/2 Compaq keyboard that resists having water spilled on it.
    Logitech MBT96a USB mouse
    Monitor: A Studioworks E700B...
    Windows 7 64bit Professional

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