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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    Try this, let me know how it goes. Should be good! What I have in RED you need to change :

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster .........Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio .................9
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ............0.0
    CPU Frequency ...................4.00(445x9)4005
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control............Enabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) .........445
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ......100 Always 100
    C.I.A.2 ..........................Disabled
    Advanced Clock Control[Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive...................800
    PCI Express Clock Drive...........900
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)...............0ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)...............0ps
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance................Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)....Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch.............Auto
    System Memory Multiplier ..........2.00D “D” straps 400fsb
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ............800 @ 890mhz 1:1
    DRAM Timing Selectable ............Manual
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time...................5
    tRCD ..............................5
    tRP'...............................5
    tRAS...............................12
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...............................auto
    tWTR...............................auto
    tWR................................auto
    tRFC...............................auto
    tRTP...............................auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................2T
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ...................1066
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value..................9
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment...............Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment...............Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ..............Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment...............Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank)..............Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank)..............Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank)..............Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..............Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control............Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control............Auto
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.....................9
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................Auto
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................Auto
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................Auto
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................Auto
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................Auto
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................Auto
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................Auto
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................Auto
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............Auto
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............Auto
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type... Manual
    CPU
    Load Line..................Enabled
    CPU V core.................1.3400V
    CPU Termination…1.200V.....1.30V
    CPU PLL.........1.500V.....1.550V
    CPU Reference...0.760V.....Auto
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core…………..1.100V........1.240V Northbridge
    MCH Reference….…….0.757V....0.76V
    MCH/DRAM Ref.…....0.900V....Auto
    ICH I/O……………….....1.500V....1.500V
    ICH Core…………......1.100V....1.200V
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V...2.06V ( your memory is 2.0 to 2.1 at 1000Mhz. Your only at 890Mhz )
    DRAM Termination .…0.900V...Auto
    Channel A Reference 0.900V..Auto
    Channel B Reference 0.900V..Auto
    Advanced BIOS Features
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 .......Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect ...Enabled
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) .....Disabled
    C2/C2E State Support ........Disabled
    x C4/C4E State Support ......Disabled
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) .Enabled
    CPU EIST Function ...........Disabled
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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    Yeah the ram on my board is undervolting
    if I say set to 2.6 in bios its then its barely enough in windows
    I just ran it up so its got lots
    for 2.10v in windows while running I need to set to 2.14v in bios
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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    This is why we enable LLC, or "Load Line Calibration" to reduce "vdroop" into windows. If you have time, try the template I gave you. Should work well for what your looking for. IF not, good luck in your tweaking ;)
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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    1.The ep-45 ud3/p/r/t/l boxes used to come with 1336+ on the boxes.
    Open it up and the mbrd says 1600mhz, on mine at least.
    2.Some utilities like sandra and pc wizard will report 4.0ghz as the maximum supported cpu speed.

    Our overclockers here (Im talking air cooling only) on dual and quad 775 cpu's seem to hit 3 walls .1800 fsb with a 9x multiplier on cpu , 2000 fsb with a lower multiplier like x7 or x8 and in and around 4.0 Ghz cpu speed.
    Perhaps look at it another way .go for a high overclock that will give you 9-10 GB/s on bandwith and around 60ns latency on memory.
    utilities for checking that are like everest,sandra and cacheburst.

    I dont have any new settings really .all i can tell you is I have used mch voltage on my GiG board at 1.4v approx for 2years with at least 12hrs per day average uptime.
    I have tried 1.3v and below and it seemed ok for awhile at 470-490.

    I do have a direct temp readout of my boards mch which most ep-45 owners dont have so I have more confidence in the applied voltage.

    3.The psu is a minefield
    Conners ,pyscho ,wazza and others have pointed out the inconsistency of amperage ratings.
    My own psu is 500w rated,but any decent gx card from even the 8600Gt up is supposed to be 24 amp@ 12v .

    Its like ,ok the twin 12v rail
    1 side is supposed to be for cpu and mbrd.
    The other "rail" is supposed to be for ancillaries: gx card fans,hdd ,spare molex connectors.
    The single rail is now split into like up to 4 and thats supposed to be a good thing?
    We need one 25 amp rated 12v rail for gx card the rest can be industry rated 18 amp.even with a cpu overclocked..
    A lot of "hi end " power supply units seem to be rated 18 amp max on 2 ,3 or even 4 12v rails.
    That leaves us "mr consumer" juggling which items get powered off which rail.
    gx cards are supposed to get a max of 75 w though the pcie slot.Each 6 pin power connection is supposed to draw a max of 75 w,
    so a 460 gtc gets like a max of 75 w from the gx card slot,then up to 75 w from the 6pin closest to the card edge(highest power draw) then up to 75w from the next x6 pin connector.
    How are we supposed to juggle the 12v"rails"

    Rail A the mbrd/cpu/pci supply.x c\rd takes 170 w ..maybe with o/c
    Rail B the main gx card one..say another 60w
    Rail C the secondary 6 pin gx card one say another 30-40w.
    Rail D ancilliaries like hdd ,dvd etc.

    The 3 and 5v stuff seems to be more server orientated,


    Does anyone know of a 60 amp +12v pc psu with all the connections, single rail? to save the juggling>?
    Last edited by kick; 08-26-2010 at 07:49 AM.
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    Zalman 10x cooler.................... Coolermaster V8............................ HP cooler
    8GB Gskill ripjaw ddr3.............. 4GB Gskill PI ddr2.......................... 4GB samsung ddr2
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    Win7 64 ,750w psu(ocz)............ Win7 64 ,520w psu,seasonic...... Win XP pro ,400w psu

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    Yes Kick the power supplies are a mess in their ratings systems
    Seems to be little conformity.
    Lot like the RMS power of amplifiers of some years ago all kinds of wild numbers out there.
    makes it pretty tough to choose accurately.
    I have also heard of the "walls" you mention
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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    A single rail psu isn't necessary with a properly designed psu.
    For example, my Antec TruePower New TP-750 psu has the following setup:

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    Rail ratings: 
    --- 3.3V --- 5V --- 12V1 --- 12V2 --- 12V3 --- 12V4 --- -12V --- 5VSB
    --- 25A --- 25A --- 25A ---- 25A ---- 25A ---- 25A ---- 0.8A --- 3A
    
    cable ------------------- # --- rail
    Fixed Cables
    ATX connector, 24 pin --- 1 --- 12V1
    5.25" Drive ------------- 3 --- 12V1	
    3.5" Drive -------------- 1 --- 12V1	
    SATA -------------------- 3 --- 12V1
    	
    8 pin EPS12V ------------ 1 --- 12V2
    4 pin ATX12V ------------ 1 --- 12V2
    	
    6+2 pin PCIe ------------ 2 --- 12V3/V4
    Modular Cables 
    5.25" Drive ------------- 6 --- 12V1
    SATA -------------------- 6 --- 12V1
    
    6 pin PCIe -------------- 2 --- 12V3/V4
    In this case there are two 25 amp rails dedicated to video cards.
    25 amps = 300 watts, where 25 amps times 12 volts = 300 watts per rail.
    Psu over current protection per rail is often set 10 - 20% higher than the rated capacity for each rail.

    You never want to buy a psu where video card connectors are installed on the same cable, each video connector should have its own individual cable.
    FWIW, HardwareSecrets, JonnyGuru, PCPER, and HardOCP have the most demanding psu tests and always include rail/cable setups.
    Usually these sites will tell you which OEM made each psu model.

    **edit** To better understand the how to interpret the true "real" output for each psu rail, check out PSU rating's...let's understand the label at BlazingPC, which gives an easy to understand, non-technical explanation.

    The TP-750 psu exceeded 920 watts total output during several reviews.
    If you don't understand the psu label, you might think that this psu is rated to output a total of 1200 watts on all four 12V rails (25 x 12 x 4).

    Check out the ARTICLES section at HardwareSecrets for more psu information and how less than reputable manufacturers play the power rating game.
    Last edited by profJim; 08-26-2010 at 02:50 PM. Reason: additional info
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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    Hey Pro J,
    I know the old V*A=W thing.
    Some of the fans I rescued from old pcs ,I thought would be good for extra cooling were rated in amps.Like a 9cm one at 2.0amps,thas like 24w!(no thx).
    Your psu seems good to cover all eventualities,but
    The vid card has now got 3 power inputs,the pcie slot and then extra 6/8 pin connectors.
    sli/xfire 6 seperate power inputs,n no point in going into 4 vid card fun wiring ,shiver.
    You know the way gx card manufacturers then bring out "silent",massive heatsink low power cards with all power coming from the pci slot.
    Up until recently at least the twin rail /triple rail were all just power limited circuits off a single 12v transformer.
    I suppose we have to trust the on board power switching on the gx card.
    good ol occt seems to be good for psu testing/ripple/voltage stability etc.
    Anyway dont want to hijack tyres thread,thx for the info .Ill check it out.
    Last edited by kick; 08-26-2010 at 05:15 PM.
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    Asrock p67 Extreme6.............. Gigabyte EP-45 UD3 ...................... Gigabyte 73 PVM S2
    Intel i5 2500k 4.8ghz................ Intel Q8400 3.8ghz......................... Intel D820 2.8ghz
    Zalman 10x cooler.................... Coolermaster V8............................ HP cooler
    8GB Gskill ripjaw ddr3.............. 4GB Gskill PI ddr2.......................... 4GB samsung ddr2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triton05 View Post
    This is why we enable LLC, or "Load Line Calibration" to reduce "vdroop" into windows. If you have time, try the template I gave you. Should work well for what your looking for. IF not, good luck in your tweaking ;)
    nah thats no good here
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    Default Re: Ud3p & e8400

    Are you just saying that? because if I wasn't comfortable making you a template try, Id be doing nothing but wasting my time. IF you cannot run Prime95 - blends / small FFT's / and large FFT's for 4 hours each.. then what you think you have stable, is not. I also toss a 2000+ memory IBT 1 hour run in for good measure. I actually start with that. Then move onto Prime95.

    If your have an E8400 E0 then guess what. 95% of your cpu variables are the same as mine.

    My original 4.0Ghz template was someone elses.. worked 1st shot. I then refined and it tweaked it to "my" likings. ( mostly just tightening memory timings )

    Another tip.

    Do you know what tRD your using?

    For me to run tRD 8 ( I had to boost my MCH to 1.26v and my dram to 2.08v ) IF not Prime95 blends fails within 15min.
    For me to run tRD 9 ( I could drop my MCH to 1.24v and dram to 2.04v ) But in doing so, I lose roughly 1 gFlops of processing power.

    So back to tRD8 for me ;)

    Just a tip.
    Last edited by Triton05; 08-30-2010 at 11:58 AM.
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    no it quit on that
    I never expected one way or the other if would be stable with those settings suggestions I wouldn't know till i tried them but one things for certain I do know....it ran longer before with less volts and acceptable g flops
    In Lots of 8400 forums posts g flops and IBT are not the be all and end all


    using trd 9
    I wasn't as confused about it as you were earlier in the thread either.

    using bios f9 now to try a few things
    Note the below not 5 tests or 15 but 50!
    I'd post the template but would get laughter hint using 1.25625 vcore



    Intel(R) LINPACK 64-bit data - LinX 0.6.4

    Current date/time: Mon Aug 30 02:21:03 2010

    CPU frequency: 3.997 GHz
    Number of CPUs: 2
    Number of threads: 2

    Parameters are set to:

    Number of tests : 1
    Number of equations to solve (problem size) : 20386
    Leading dimension of array : 20392
    Number of trials to run : 50
    Data alignment value (in Kbytes) : 4

    Maximum memory requested that can be used = 3326102432, at the size = 20386

    ============= Timing linear equation system solver =================

    Size LDA Align. Time(s) GFlops Residual Residual(norm)
    20386 20392 4 199.031 28.3824 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 198.099 28.5158 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.542 28.5963 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.498 28.6026 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.493 28.6033 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.782 28.5615 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.446 28.6102 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.530 28.5980 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.737 28.5680 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.704 28.5729 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.668 28.5781 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.854 28.5512 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.671 28.5775 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.690 28.5748 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.756 28.5653 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.684 28.5757 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.701 28.5733 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.822 28.5558 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.690 28.5749 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.690 28.5748 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.716 28.5711 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.711 28.5719 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.782 28.5616 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.727 28.5695 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.800 28.5589 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.781 28.5616 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.739 28.5678 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.800 28.5589 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.804 28.5583 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.993 28.5312 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.818 28.5564 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.814 28.5569 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.882 28.5472 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 198.319 28.4842 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.782 28.5616 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.933 28.5397 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.770 28.5632 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.822 28.5558 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.950 28.5373 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.798 28.5593 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.809 28.5577 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.967 28.5348 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.795 28.5597 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.798 28.5593 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.912 28.5428 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.810 28.5575 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.905 28.5438 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.982 28.5327 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.836 28.5537 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002
    20386 20392 4 197.923 28.5412 4.015044e-010 3.428583e-002

    Performance Summary (GFlops)

    Size LDA Align. Average Maximal
    20386 20392 4 28.5574 28.6102
    Last edited by Tyreman; 08-30-2010 at 08:00 PM.
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