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    Exclamation GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    Hi guys,
    I have trouble with a system posting after the cards have been set to run in a sli mode
    full specs:

    Mobo: Gigabyte X58A-UD3R (Rev 2) Bios: second latest beta (FB11)
    Processor: i7 930 (first stepping)
    Ram: 3x 2GB Kingston value ram 1333 CL9 (KVR1333D3N9K3/6G)
    Graphics: 2x Gigabyte GTX 465 (GV-N465UD-1GI)
    HDD: 2 x 1TB WD Black 7200rpm
    PSU: OCZ Fatal1ty 700w


    Before I get to the template, I just want to say that I am not all that fussed weather the memory is at 1066 or 1333,
    provided that it can pass the ram stress testing and remain stable.

    I think the problem lies with the pci-e bus, the symptoms vary but I will describe them here:
    Sometimes at Verifying DMI Pool data, the screen is black with a small blinking DOS style cursor but peripherals and all else is hard locked up.

    sometimes during windows booting (switching from boot splash to GUI mode) the screen will go solid black and hard lock up -> this was the symptom at optomised defaults with minor general bios changes.

    now though, after my attempted tweaking,
    the boot up issues are far less frequent and the GUI switch lockup shows a light blue screen,
    and takes a lot more soft restarts and testing to expose the issue, but it is still there :uhh:

    if the problem needs to be reiterated better, please let me know.

    Here is the template which has the least issues,
    I know raising the IOH core helped, also keeping Quick boot disabled seemed to help,
    also the small bump of pci-e volts and locking the pci-e freq helped,
    but something needs further bumping since it still is playing up. :(


    template:

    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [21x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
    Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]

    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed ..............................[Auto] - 4.8Ghz(x36)
    Uncore Frequency ..........................[Auto] - 2667Mhz
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]

    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Auto]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................133
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]<Manual 100.

    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]

    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO] 1066
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quick]

    Channel A, (B + C = quick -> set by A)

    Channel A Timing Settings:

    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................9<manually set
    tRCD .......................................9<manually set
    tRP .........................................9<manually set
    tRAS .......................................24<manually set

    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................27 <auto
    tRRD .......................................4<auto
    tWTR ......................................4<auto
    tWR ........................................8<auto
    tWTP ....................................... 19<auto
    tWL ........................................ 7<auto
    tRFC .......................................80< <manually set, auto would be 60
    tRTP .......................................4<auto
    tFAW ......................................16<auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................2<manually set, 1 would be auto, but I think the SPD is wrong.

    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................47<auto

    B2B CAS Delay ..........................-<auto


    Advanced Voltage Control:

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. Auto
    CPU Vcore ...............................1.29375V <Auto (PC Health reports:
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............1.175 <auto
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.8<auto

    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.540<manually set, auto would be 1.50
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.100<auto
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.160<manually set, auto would be 1.100
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.500<auto
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................1.100<auto

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.580<manually set, auto would be 1.500
    DRAM Termination 0.750v ........[AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v ..........[AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v...........[AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v ..........[AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v.......[AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v.......[AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v.......[AUTO]


    So yeah, the above profile proves to be quite and improvement but It doesn't solve the occasional post issues,
    it is more reliable as above then using failsafe defaults without setting anything extra.

    I'm quite certain the issue is because the cards are running in SLI, and the cards can handle a good stressing at the desktop,
    as can the cpu and ram, it just seems to give me lots of greif getting it to always post reliably. :knife:
    Last edited by qwertylesh; 08-20-2010 at 07:46 AM. Reason: fixed op specs
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    Default Re: GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    i would manually set qpi/vtt to around 1.2000-1.25000v,try with the latest official bios too,not a beta,maybe that bios is buggy
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    Default Re: GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    Thanks for that Wazza,
    I'll see what the QPI/VTT is being set to on Auto with easytune, and I'll also flash back to FA, see if it helps.
    Though I'm not confident FA bios will help, all the hardware is new, but I have no faith in the OCZ psu and think if its going to be a specific part it may be that.

    I am just hoping it is something that can be worked around and not some sort of incompatibility which would leave me unable to get it working properly.
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    ok, after spending a couple of hours of thorough symptom replication, I have determined the following.
    Happens with or without sli enabled.
    happens on each card individually
    happens with a different power supply unit.

    So I can safely say this is no longer a SLI issue, and having ruled out the graphics and power supply as causes of the fault, I am now of the belief that the problem lies with the motherboard or the ram.

    Which is odd though, since when this system was first assembled, it was thoroughly prime blended and ram stressed to ensure stability.

    I will be trying another triple channel kit on the system, and if the problem still occurs, I'll have to try another disk and another processor and if the problem sitll occurs that leaves the motherboard.

    All system temps are fine, especially when only one of the 465s is only installed (no card sandwiching heat)

    I am hoping its just a bad kit of ram and not the mobo, I won't know until I have ruled out the other components.

    I'll keep yous apprised on the fault and solution (when found).

    Also, I did flash back to FA, I haven't checked the QPI/VTT voltages out yet, but since it happens on plain optimized defaults with 1333 ram, I am really thinking its a hardware problem moreso then something which could be tweaked.
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    OK, so it turns out that the system had a faulty triple channel kit of ram.
    this was causing the black or light blue coloured hard lockup screen when trying to start the Win7 GUI.

    With a new kit and a single graphics card or both (out of SLI) the systems flawless.

    Unfortunately, when enabling SLI, the system still has intermittent 0x0000116 BSODS :(

    After some tweaking Ive managed to vastly subside the issue but changing these parts of the template:

    QPI/VTT raised qto 1.235
    PCI Frequency changed to 101Mhz
    IOH Core raised to 1.20v
    DRAM voltage raised to 1.62v
    DRAM Timings locked to 9-9-9-24-2T (stock rated), DRAM Multi raised to 10 (@1333Mhz stock rated)
    Uncore raised to 2.8Ghz (x25?)
    Please let me know if any of these alterations are dangerous for permanent usage, Ive never had to adjust the pci frequency beforel, but it seemed to have allowed the system to run stable thus far, 5 full shutdowns, 10 soft restarts, no more bsods. :)
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    Default Re: GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    Nice to see you got most of this sorted out!

    If you are using x10 memory multi you may be best keeping uncore to 20-22. Your PCIE is fine, you can use 101-103 or so without ever having issues

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    Actually, I still have this system and the problems are back to square one :(

    I changed the ram kit, that stopped the light blue hard lockup when Win7 tries to start the GUI.

    then I found one of the GTX465's had a DVI port which wouldnt output to analogue, so I changed that 465 with a new one.

    But it just did the light blue screen hard lockup on me after I enabled SLI.

    I was able to make it do this without enabling SLI before I changed the graphics card.

    So now, I have 2 kits of 6gb DDR3, 3 GTX 465's, one ex58a-ud3r, and this persistant issue is still happening.

    Maybe it needs 103Mhz PCI-e? All the cards and the motherboard are gigabyte, could it be configuration or maybe an issue with my board or could the cards need a bios update? I really think that I am not going to get this system to operate right.
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    Default Re: GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    What gets me the most is this isnt what I would consider a really high spec system, I've dealt with 960's and 1866Mhz ram in the past without any issues like this. Maybe the problem is because the board is Revision 2 and the bios isn't mature.
    Im starting to suspect the board and power supply since ive tested the hell out of the ram and graphics (not to mention tried replacements) and pretty much gotten nowhere.
    Ive just turned off Sata3/USB3/esata/PATA and will see if that makes any difference. :/
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    Default Re: GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    You can try 103 PCIE but not sure it's going to help, sounds to me like there is some other issue.

    Have you started a ticket with Gigabyte support, just wondering if maybe they could send you a BIOS update for the cards or maybe a unpublished one for the board

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    Default Re: GA-EX58A-UD3R and 2 x Gigabyte GTX 465 SLI posting issue

    Haven't contacted Gigabyte directly yet.

    I have only one 465 and one piece of the ram in the system (first white slot of course), I just cleared the cmos and loaded optomised defaults.

    I have setup a batch to restart the system every 5 seconds and put an abort shutdown shortcut on the desktop. I shouldn't done this days ago, its really sped up exposing the symptom when adding/removing hardware.

    The 3 parts left not ruled out through testing yet are the mobo, disks, cpu, it must be one of these.

    At this stage I am thinking its either due to the disks being WD Blacks (the firmware on these disks has given me greif in other x58 gigabyte boards once before)

    or a bad board, I don't see how this problem could be due to the processor. If i do find that I cannot expose the problem with 1 piece of ram, I will remove and re install the processor and work my way back up to 3 pieces. If that doesn't work (not optomistic it will) then I'll setup another Win7 OS on a Seagate 1.5tb I have sitting here and ee if i can expose the symptom. This still doesnt solely rule out the processor, but aside from .......

    ^ tl;dr.
    Its still stuffed with 1 GFX and 1 piece of ram.
    I strongly feel its the motherboard, I dont think bios is going to make any difference, I had this problem on the beta and have it on FA, have it with 3 cards, 2 ram kits.

    I'll try one last thing, running another OS on a Seagate. If I can still replicate the symptom, it leaves cpu and mobo.
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