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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD5 Rev 2 & Mushkin 998691 Kit - No XMP?

    Quote Originally Posted by wazza300 View Post
    no you shouldnt need that much qpi voltage at stock clocks,you need to test each stick and ram slot now to see if you have a dead stick or slot seeing that its saying 6gb/2gb usable,pull all the sticks out and test one at a time in the first white slot from cpu socket,if alls well it will boot into windows with just one stick,do the same for the other two white ram slots
    Thank you so much for all your assistance with this. I just want to be sure I understand what you are suggesting here.

    Should I set the XMP profile with one stick at a time in slot 1, then slot 2, then slot 3 (9 total tests)?

    Or are you suggesting something else?

    At 1066MHz JDEC timings, all 6GB is available and seems to function fine.

    Thanks,
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    no i just thought you might have a faulty stick or ram slot,but if its seeing full 6gb at stock ram settings then it can only be a bios setting thats causing 4gb to go missing,what does xmp set the qpi/vtt voltage at? have you just set the ram speed to 1600mhz and left timings and qpi/vtt voltage on auto? just to see what it puts the timing at
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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD5 Rev 2 & Mushkin 998691 Kit - No XMP?

    OK, I took a 1/2 step and set the speed to 1333MHz in the BIOS without touching anything else (auto all).

    That resulted in POST and booting into Windows with all 6GB usable (running that setup now) with timings of 9-9-9-24-74-1t. According to CPUZ, that is the JDEC standard for 1333MHz at 1.5V.

    Of course I paid top $ to get 6-7-6 at 1600MHz, so I'm not overly thrilled about this so far.

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    set ram to 1600mhz and leave timings and qpi/vtt on auto and see what the qpi/vtt voltage is in the bios and what the timings auto uses
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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD5 Rev 2 & Mushkin 998691 Kit - No XMP?

    OK,

    I set the multi to 12x resulting in 1600MHz and left everything else on auto.

    The machine POSTed and booted into Windows.

    According to Windows 4GB of my 6GB was usable.
    According to CPUID the timings were: 10-11-11-29-88-1t

    Reboot and check BIOS

    Timings: 10-11-11-29-5-24-88-1t
    DRAM = 1.792V (ouch!)
    Reporting 4GB of RAM only
    Could not find actual QPI/Vtt readout in BIOS when set to Auto.

    Very frustrating. I can't imagine I will ever bother with "high performance RAM" again. The only reason I bit this time was the "XMP Profile" was supposed to be set and forget. I will be at the office all day and not have access to this system again until about 6PM EDT. I will be happy to try any other suggestions then.

    Thank you!

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD5 Rev 2 & Mushkin 998691 Kit - No XMP?

    All this just means you have not found the proper QPI/Vtt or ram voltage, or you still need to adjust your Uncore to the right amount.

    6-7-6-18 timings at 1600Mhz may need 1.35-1.425+ QPI/Vtt, it all depends on your CPU. Set the ram voltage to 1.66, that way you are not getting the 1.79V again!

    I really would suggest you use the latest beta BIOS, but that's up to you if you don't want to, but I think it would be best.

    XMP sucks in general I think, there is no way some pre-programmed settings are going to guess what your particular CPU needs.

    If you would like a full set of settings from me just let me know, and if so please let me know what Bclk you are using

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    Lsdmeasap,

    Thank you for the comments and offer to help. I will flash to Beta BIOS FB10 tonight and see if XMP works as-is. Hopefully that will solve the problem.

    In anticipation of it not working, I would appreciate any suggestion you have for BIOS settings to make it work at the rated timings and speed. Other than setting my two raid arrays, I expect the rest of the BIOS will be at the "default optimized" settings, including the Bclk.

    If you have suggestions for getting both kits running together (12GB) that would be great too.

    For reference, my system includes:

    Coolermaster Storm Sniper case will all fans installed and running full-on
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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD5 Rev 2 & Mushkin 998691 Kit - No XMP?

    XMP should ONLY be used at stock Bclk, then again what I said still applies (No way for XMP to guess what your CPU needs). So I really advise against using XMP.

    12GB stock settings should look something like this for that kit

    BSOD Error codes and what they mean:
    0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
    0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
    0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage
    0X00000109 << Not enough or too Much memory voltage


    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Disabled] Or enabled, but I'd really not until you get stable
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Disabled] Or enabled, but I'd really not until you get stable
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36-48 (All of them will work and be fine, may be best to use 48)
    Uncore Frequency ..........................  (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1, 2x +2, ect - Higher means more Vdimm or QPI/Vtt often but can help stability) So set 24-26
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... 133
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]  << Extreme may be best, it is all I use even at 2600+ Mhz.
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO] x12
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Manual]  Expert, then set each channel main timings and CMD Rate one by one
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ...................... 6
    tRCD ....................................... 7
    tRP ......................................... 6
    tRAS ....................................... 18-20
    
    
    
    ##Channel A-C Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................  Auto
    tRRD ....................................... Auto
    tWTR ...................................... Auto
    tWR ........................................ Auto
    tWTP .......................................   Auto
    tWL ........................................   Auto
    tRFC ....................................... Auto or 88-98
    tRTP ....................................... Auto
    tFAW ...................................... Auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................ 1T
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ................... Auto
    
    B2B CAS Delay .......................... Auto
    
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore ............................... Auto
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v ............ 1.3-1.425+  Your CPU may need more or less, depending on the CPU itself.  With 12GB at these tight timings you are probably looking more at 1.4-1.5+.  If you do not want to use this much you will need to use looser timings such as 7-8-7-20
    
    CPU PLL 1.800v ....................... Auto
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ........................... Auto
    QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... Auto or 1.2
    IOH Core 1.100v ..................... 1.14-1.2
    ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... Auto
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.14 or Auto
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v .............. 1.66-1.68
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Wow! That is great info. I can't wait to try it when I get home tonight.

    Just a few clarifying of questions if you don't mind...

    1) How can I confirm the system is "stable"?

    2) How is "Extreme" different from "Standard" in the DRAM "Performance Enhance" section? Does it shorten component life?

    3) I am going to guess the difference between 6-7-6 and 7-8-7 @1600MHz is imperceptible for any real world applications. If that is true, then will I be stressing my system less by running these timings with reduced volts?

    4) Last one (at least in this post): I read in the documentation from my previous motherboard (and heard from Mushkin) that 1t command rates were not possible with six modules and an X58/i7 system. Can I assume you have confirmed this is not the case?

    Thank you and Wazza300 again for taking the time to help with this!

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD5 Rev 2 & Mushkin 998691 Kit - No XMP?

    Good luck, keep in mind those are just general settings and you will have to tinker around about and tweak things until you get stable or booting.

    Stablility can be tested many ways, memtest86+ for your memory, Prime95 or LinX for your CPU and or CPU+Memory, or tons of other apps to test with as well.

    You can get them all here
    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ity-tools.html

    No that setting only tightens some timings we do not have access to is all, it will not shorten the life of any of your hardware.

    Yeap, those timings would not be noticeable in real world system use, only in benchmarks. And yes, lower timings will equate to lower voltages and easier stability.

    1T is perfectly fine and easy to use with 12GB. I did some testing for someone who didn't think you could mix 12GB of memory, and here is my results at 200Bclk 1600Mhz with 3 mixed kits of memory (mixed timings, IC's, and even mixed brands), all at 1T

    12GB of mixed memory @ 1600Mhz. 3 different sets mixed, all with different timings and IC's, even a second brand threw in to mix it up. Each channel set to spec of installed memory, so this is REAL Triple channel :)



    12GB Mixed memory @ 1600Mhz. 2 mixed sets, different timings and IC's


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