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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    Interesting stuff on the Seagate issue, especially the fact that they aren't posting the update on their website which is, as you can see in my post above, what I encountered. There was no explanation on the website, by the way, regarding contacting them via some other method. They have a utility that checks based on the serial number of the drive and it simply reported that no update for the drive was available. At this point, I'm not certain that the HDD failure incident was legit. Maybe some other problem created it as kick suggested above. It is not the first time this box has reported an HDD failure. Back when I was trying to get it stable, they happened several times but the drive has worked flawlessly since then.

    Meanwhile, I ran Prime95 for several hours yesterday while I as out and all four workers eventually stopped due to errors. The high temps recorded by Core Temp were still in the same range - 70-75 C.

    I looked into better cooling for the processor a while back and gave up after finding that there seem to be very few upgrades that will fit in my case. It's narrow with only about 160mm between the surface of the processor and the opposite side of the case.

    I picked up a new HD yesterday to install as a backup drive (I have an external USB drive but the speed and the fact that I don't and don't want to keep it attached all the time make it a very occasional backup solution). It's a Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C ($60 at Microcenter!) l'll install that and get some regular back up set up (I routinely back up critical info like personal financial data, but not the mass of documents, pics, music, software downloads etc. although all are backed up at long intervals). While I have the box opened, I'll give it a thorough cleaning inside and then maybe run Prime95 again to see if that made any difference.

    Any other suggestions?
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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    I'd still look into lowering the temps.
    What is the room temperature?
    What thermal paste do you use, and have you removed and installed the CPU HS without applying new paste?
    Try running Prime95 for 30 minutes with the case open and room fan blowing over it and see if there a significant change in core temps and others.

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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    I think you can update the firmware so that both drives match or have the latest, serial number checker only checks for firmware related issues then advises (I believe).

    I think you can update it no matter what the advisor says, you just need to find the firmware you want to use.

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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    Well, things have really gone down the toilet today.

    After I installed the second drive, the computer would not boot. It did not even list the first drive in the bios screen.
    But it was seeing the new drive but it wasn't formatted yet. But it was there, listed.

    I tweaked the settings for the drives in every imaginable way. Eventually, I had hat IDE 0 Master (the first drive listed) set for Auto and LBA. I had IDE0 Slave set to Auto/Auto and IDE1 Master set to Auto/Auto.

    I think I had the controller set to IDE mode.

    It booted. I was able to format the new drive from Windows. I did a reboot from Windows and it has not booted since.

    I am totally lost and incredibly frustrated. I did this many times in the past with real IDE drives with no problem. Of course, back then you had to set a jumper on the drive to set master/slave but my understanding of SATA is that there really is no master slave any more.

    Now, I can't get it to boot with just the old drive installed.

    Help?

    It goes through POST OK and eventually stops with "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER". I suppose it's possible that the disk really won't boot but it did boot once. I've tried all kinds of settings in the BIOS and nothing seems to work.

    The CD shows on on IDE Channel 1 Master, set to Auto/LBA. It is plugged into the second SATA slot, SATA2-1. The HD is plugged into SATA2-0. I also set it for Auto/LBA. During post, I get a message "Detecting IDE drives . . ."
    That stays on screen for a long long time, minutes.

    I press escape and get a "Prepare to Enter Setup . . ." and it stays on screen for minutes as well.

    I am so lost.

    I do have a very recent backup of all documents and if I boot into Paragon with the new drive plugged in, it can see it and could restore it to the new drive but it's not the OS and all the software.

    I have an image but it's on the nonworking drive. Doh. Creating a new image on the new drive was really my goal today but I only had that one shining moment when both drives were functioning and I formatted the new one. Now I can't seem to access the old one no matter what.

    The new drive works so easily that I am becoming convinced that the old drive really is failing and may not ever work again. I'll let it cool off and try again later. That is one thing that had happened when it worked earlier. The system had been powered off completely for about 90 minutes. If I can get the old drive to come back for just a little while, I can copy the system image to the new drive or to an external drive and salvage it. I also have a Win7 recovery disk but it's pretty out of date. Not years or anything like that but a few months.

    Anybody got any good ideas. What are the correct settings for the hard disk system in the Bios. What I have now is working well enough to boot from the CD and the restore utility can see the new drive.

    The thing is, going back to the beginning, the computer was working fine. I powered it down, unplugged it, installed the new drive, plugged it into SATA2-2 (old drive was in 2-0, CD in 2-1) and turned it on. It would never boot in that set up. The time I got it to boot and formatted the new drive, I think the CD was unplugged and the two HDs were in -0 and -1. That doesn't work any more.
    Last edited by wallypiper; 08-30-2010 at 11:21 AM.
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    PSU Corsair TX750W
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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    Wow.
    I decided, before going to bed, to try plugging the old drive into a different SATA socket. It's always been in SATA2-0.
    I put it in SATA2-5 and booted from the Paragon CD.
    The boot was quick, Paragon immediately saw both hard drives and is now making an image of the primary partition from old drive on the new drive. As soon as it finishes, I'll see if the machine will boot from the old drive instead of the CD.
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    Hitachi SATA Deskstar 7K1000.C 1.0TB
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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    Backup completed.
    Reboot successful two times.

    I believe the problem was really my graphics card. On this board, the SATA sockets are on the right side, near the bottom of the board. The PCI-E slot is just a little higher up the board. The graphics card I have is so thick at that end, that I believe it was "leaning" on the SATA connector when it was in the -0 slot. It's now in the -5 slot and is working fine there.

    All those settings. All these hours of scratching my head and beating it against the wall. And it was a mechanical problem with the location of the socket and size of the graphics card. I assume that it has been like that all along but maybe when I moved stuff around putting the new drive in, it got worse somehow. At any rate, there are 6 sockets and I only need 3 so -0 can just remain empty.


    I'm going to bed.
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    PSU Corsair TX750W
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    Seagate SATA Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB
    Hitachi SATA Deskstar 7K1000.C 1.0TB
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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    A bit more news. Right after I posted the above, I put the side cover back on the case and moved the box back into it's normal position (just a little turn) and when I looked up - BSOD. Being attuned to the connector problem I took a hard look and spotted a power cable that was pushing against one or both HD SATA cables, sort of pushing them up. Powered down and cover back off, I noted that the fit in the sockets on the mobo is pretty loose. I don't know if that's the mobo sockets or the ends of the SATA cables I have. At any rate, I put a wrap on the power wire to get it away from them and rebooted and all seems OK. Drive wise. No problems booting and no BSOD's since then which was, as you can see, almost 6 hours ago.
    BUT, having fixed that I started Prime95 before going to bed and I'm sort of back where I started. All four workers eventually stopped with errors, one after just less than an hour, the last one after about 4 hours. High temps were similar to before, around the low 70s, maybe 69-72. Back at the beginning of yesterdays horrorshow, I thoroughly cleaned the inside of the case. There was a lot of dust but I think I did about as good a job as can be done without removing the cpu fan. I used both vacuum and some compressed air to blow/suck the dust from the heat sink fins on the processor and cleaned all the fans and screens. Back in April, when the stability appeared to be rock solid, the high temps running P95 were pretty similar to this. Obviously the P95 issues have nothing to do with the SATA problem. I guess I'll check into a better cooler of some kind for the cpu but I'd also love to hear of any BIOS tweaks that might help or what other tests I can run that might pin the problem down. To that end, my current BIOS settings follow. (Hey, Award, Gigabye, why don't you guys export the BIOS settings to a text file?)
    EP45-UD3LR Rev. 1.0
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    Q9550 @ 2.83GHz with the cooling fan supplied w/processor
    PSU Corsair TX750W
    NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
    Seagate SATA Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB
    Hitachi SATA Deskstar 7K1000.C 1.0TB
    Samsung SATA 20x DVD/RW
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    Default Complete current bios settings list

    Don't bother chastizing me for the format (tabbed text file gets trashed by the Vbulletin editor) or the lines with a value and "AUTO" listed. The information is listed the way that the BIOS screens present it. If you know that a value listed to the left of the "Auto" entry is meaningless, ignore it. Award doesn't label those values and no documentation of how to interpret these screens is included with the mobo from Gigabyte and, as far as I know, is not available from Award either.

    Here it is, in its total and complete glory. The thing that currently intrigues me the most is that the new Hitachi HD is not listed anywhere. The old Seagate drive is there (and it's working) and the CD drive is there but not the new Hitachi drive. It is plugged into SATA2-2. The CD is in SATA2-1 and the Seagate is in SATA2-5. However, in Windows I can see the Hitachi drive, write to it, read from it, it has a drive letter and in all ways I can check is fully functional even though the BIOS doesn't appear to know its there.

    One other thing, the setting for Performance Enhance was "Turbo" during the Prime95 test last night. I've changed that to Standard, as shown below, and will try a new Prime95 run with this setting.

    BIOS settings at 7:40 AM on 8-30-2010 - System functional

    INTELLIGENT TWEAKER

    Robust Graphics Booster Auto
    CPU Clock Ratio 8x
    Fine Clock Ratio +0.5
    ---CPU Frequnecy 2.83GHz (333x8.5)

    Clock Chip Control
    CPU Host Clock Control Disabled
    CPU Hots Frequency 333
    PCI-E Frequency 100
    C.I.A.2 Disabled

    Advanced Clock Control
    CPU clock drive 800mV
    PCI-E clock drive 800mV
    CPU Clock Skew 0ps
    MCH Clock Skew 0ps

    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance Standard
    X.M.P. Extreme Memory Profile Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch Auto
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) Auto
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) 1066
    DRAM Timeing Selectable (SPD) Manual

    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time 5
    tRCD 5
    tRP 5
    tRAS 15
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD 4 Auto
    tWTR 4 Auto
    tWR 8 Auto
    tRFC 68 Auto
    tRTP 4 Auto
    Command Rate (CMD) 0 Auto

    Channel A Timing Settings
    tRD Phase 0 adjustment 0 Auto
    tRD Phase 1 adjustment 0 Auto
    tRD Phase 2 adjustment 0 Auto
    rRD Phase 3 adjustment 0 Auto
    Trd 2nd (Different Rank) 8 Auto
    Twr2wr (Different Rank) 8 Auto
    Twr2rd (Different Rank) 7 Auto
    Trd2wr (Same/Diff Rank) 9 Auto
    DIMM1 Clock Skew Control Auto
    DIMM2 Clock Skew Control Auto
    DDR Write Training Auto
    Channel A Driving Settings
    Driving Strength Profile 1066 MHz
    Data Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Data Driving Pull-Down Level Auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level Auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level Auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Down Level Auto

    Channel B Timing Settings
    tRD Phase 0 adjustment 0 Auto
    tRD Phase 1 adjustment 0 Auto
    tRD Phase 2 adjustment 0 Auto
    rRD Phase 3 adjustment 0 Auto
    Trd 2nd (Different Rank) 8 Auto
    Twr2wr (Different Rank) 8 Auto
    Twr2rd (Different Rank) 7 Auto
    Trd2wr (Same/Diff Rank) 9 Auto
    DIMM1 Clock Skew Control Auto
    DIMM2 Clock Skew Control Auto
    DDR Write Training Auto
    Channel B Driving Settings
    Driving Strength Profile 1066 MHz
    Data Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Up Level Auto
    Data Driving Pull-Down Level Auto
    Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level Auto
    Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level Auto
    Clk Driving Pull-Down Level Auto

    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    Load-Line Calibration Disabled
    CPU Vcore 1.15000V Auto
    CPU Termination 1.200V Auto
    CPU PLL 1.550V Auto
    CPU Reference 0.805V Auto
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core 1.100V 1.200V
    MCH Reference 0.760V Auto
    ICH I/O 1.550V 1.550V
    ICH Core 1.100V 1.100V
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.800V 2.100V

    STANDARD CMOS FEATURES

    IDE Channel 0 Master None
    IDE Channel 0 Master Auto
    Access Mode LBA
    IDE Channel 0 Slave None
    IDE Channel 0 Slave None
    Access Mode LBA
    IDE Channel 1 Master TSSTCorp CCDDVDW SH-S (CD drive)
    IDE Channel 1 Master Auto
    Acess Mode LBA
    IDE Channel 1 Slave None
    IDE Channel 1 Slave Auto
    Access Mode Auto
    IDE Channel 2 Master None
    IDE Channel 2 Master Auto
    Access Mode Auto
    IDE Channel 3 Master ST31500341AS (Seagate HD, boot drive)
    Extended IDE Drive Auto
    Acess Mode Auto
    Capacity 1500GB
    Cylinder 65535
    Head 16
    Precomp 0
    Landing Zone 65534
    Sector 255
    IDE Channel 4 Master None
    Extended IDE Drive Auto
    Access Mode Auto
    IDE Channel 4 Slave None
    Extended IDE Drive Auto
    Access Mode Auto
    Drive A None
    Floppy 3 Mode Support Disabled
    Halt On All, but keyboard
    Base Memory 640K
    Extended Memory 4094M
    Total Memory 4096M

    ADVANCED BIOS FEATURES
    Hard Disk Boot Priority
    1. Ch3M ST31500341AS
    2. Bootable Add-in Cards
    Quick Boot Disabled
    First Boot Device Hard Disk
    Second Boot Device CD ROM
    Third Boot Device Disabled
    Password Check Setup (never used this)
    HDD S.M.A.R.T Capability Enabled
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 Disabled
    No-Execute Memory Protect Enabled
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) Enabled
    C2/C2E State Support Disabled
    xC4/C4E State Support Disabled
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) Enabled
    CPU EIST Function Enabled
    Virtualization Technology Enabled
    Delay for HDD (Secs) 2
    Full Screen LOGO Show Enabled
    Backup BIOS Image to HDD Enabled
    Init Display First PCI

    INTEGRATED PERIPHERALS
    ICH SATA Control Mode IDE
    SATA Port0-3 Native Mode Enabled
    Azalia Codec Auto
    Onboard H/W LAN Enabled
    Green LAN Disabled
    >>Smart LAN (seems to work OK, built in test of some kind)
    Onboard LAN Boot ROM Disabled
    Onboard IDE Controller Enabled
    Onboard Serial Port 1 3F8/IRQ4
    Onboard Parallel Port 378/IRQ7
    Parallel Port Mode SPP
    USB 1.0 Controller Enabled
    USB 2.0 Controller Enabled
    USB Keyboard Function Enabled
    USB Mouse Function Enabled
    USB Storage Function Enabled

    POWER MANAGEMENT SETUP
    ACPI Suspend Type S3 (STR)
    Soft-Off by PWR-BTTN Instant-Off
    PME Event Wake Up Enabled
    Power On by Ring Enabled
    Resume by Alarm Disabled
    x Date (of Month) Alarm Everyday
    x Time (hh:mm:ss) Alarm 0:0:0
    HPET Support Enabled
    HPET Mode 64-bit mode
    Power On by Mouse Disabled
    Power On by Keyboard Disabled
    xKeyboard Power On Password (never used it)
    AC BAck Function Soft-Off

    PNP/PCI CONFIGURATIONS
    PCI1 IRQ Assignments Auto
    PCI2 IRQ Assignments Auto

    PC HEALTH STATUS
    Reset Case Open Status Disabled
    Vcore 1.124V
    DDR18V 2.080V
    +3.3V 3.328V
    +12V 12.175V
    Current System Temp 39C
    Current CPU Temp 37C
    Current CPU Fan Speed 1483 RPM
    Current System Fan2 Speed 0 RPM
    Current System Fan Speed 0 RPM
    Current Power Fan Speed 0 RPM
    Current System Fan1 Speed 0 RPM
    CPU Warning Temperature Disabled
    CPU Fan Fail Warning Disabled
    System FAN2 Fail Warning Disabled
    System FAN Fail Warning Disabled
    System FAN1 Fail Warning Disabled
    CPU Smart FAN Control Auto
    CPU Smart FAN Mode Auto
    Last edited by wallypiper; 08-30-2010 at 08:58 PM.
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    PSU Corsair TX750W
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    Seagate SATA Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB
    Hitachi SATA Deskstar 7K1000.C 1.0TB
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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    9 hours 20 minutes of Prime95. Zero errors.

    !!!

    Still happy to hear feedback on the BIOS, especially the missing drive thing.
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    PSU Corsair TX750W
    NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
    Seagate SATA Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB
    Hitachi SATA Deskstar 7K1000.C 1.0TB
    Samsung SATA 20x DVD/RW
    Corsair DDR2 CM2X2048-8500C5D

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    Default Re: Some problems, some symptoms, one clue

    Nice to see you got the drive issues solved! I was about to mention, all that standard CMOS page stuff you are changing can ALL be left on auto, no changes are needed or suggested.

    As for your BIOS settings and stress testing issues, all we need is the settings in a template from my signature, but I can gather those from your above post.

    Can you please link us to your exact memory. Then I'll advise back some optimal settings to get you going on stress testing.

    You should really use AHCI, what OS are you now using? If windows Vista or 7 you can easily make this change with a registry mod (Please wait for our reply on that), if it's XP you are using a clean install would be easier.

    I really think you should start over in the BIOS, by loading optimized defaults, then save/apply/reboot back to BIOS. Then do not touch the Standard CMOS page, only the Integrated Peripherals page.

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