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    Default Re: H55 boards - large BIOS, hence slightly longer time to POST?

    Quote Originally Posted by ozeh View Post
    pretty much there's the bare minimum installed, just the board, ram, cpu and power connections. i do have 3x usb headers connected, the 1394 header, hd audio etc. but there's nothing plugged in anywhere, so no devices except a ps/2 keyboard. i just reflashed F7 (latest) and reset cmos with a jumper. then booted, and loaded optimised defaults, and it's around the 10 sec mark.

    I'm not worried now that you tested your h55n-usb3 and it's similar - Cheers. most likely if you had a speaker, youd hear the beep at about the 8-9 sec mark i reckon, and yep, the monitor response to the the singal coming in, hence monitor firing up and displaying few sec later would be expected.

    to go offtopic, out of interest, can you test one more thing for me please? :D
    Firstly, which BIOS is running on your H55N-USB3?

    it's related to this thread (see my reply for what i found) http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...-p55a-ud3.html - basically if you press reset button (quickly) vs (slowly) do you notice any difference on your H55N-USB3?

    cheers LSD

    Not even sure which BIOS I have on the board, no keyboard installed and that screen goes by too quick :) I'll look for you later today and let you know, but I think it's the latest at least as of a week or two ago anyway (maybe F6?). I don't have any spare switches though, so I can't test the reset for you, as I mentioned I'm shorting it to start it up. I'll see if I can dig one up though, I'll let ya know.

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    Default Re: H55 boards - large BIOS, hence slightly longer time to POST?

    hah, don't go to too much trouble. just curiosity again :D

    cheers again

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    Default Re: H55 boards - large BIOS, hence slightly longer time to POST?

    does that mb come with quickboot? have you enabled it? and have you set hdd delay to 0?
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    Default Re: H55 boards - large BIOS, hence slightly longer time to POST?

    Yup, quickboot seems to just remove the POST/BIOS screen actually displayed, where it does its checks (amount of RAM etc.) also, when it's enabled, the POST beep doesn't occur. Overall it doesn't affect it much.

    HDD delay is set to zero, and during testing, no HDDs etc. were connected.

    I'm leaning towards the flash size theory still, but in the end it's not really important.

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    Yep, I am having slight issues with my DVD RW drive too. For some reason, like you, not only do I get a massive delay when booting from it (or trying) but another problem has now developed. If the DVD is in the drive when the PC is switched on and I try and boot from it, it does a strange power cycling thing in an endless loop. My drive emits a sound that indicates the laser is being moved to the start position when a disk is inserted. In this case it constantly calibrates the laser like that until I open the tray then close it again, then it boots fine after the usual delay.

    There are some strange quirks, at least on my board. As with my EP45-UD3P, if I load optimized defaults, then save and exit, and try and install windows, the installer will freeze just before the dialog box appears that lets you select your country and KB layout. With the UD3P it was because the default was to use XMP for the RAm which simply wasn't stable. I simply had to turn XMP off and set all timings manually then it was solid. With this P55A-UD4 I had the exact same issue, freezing at the same place before entering your country and KB layout. No matter what I tried I couldn't install Windows. The solution was to flash to the latest BIOS (F14) as the board came with F11. Maybe this is because I have an i5 760 which is newer than the 750, I dunno.

    I found thet Quick Boot wasn't the best feature ever as-well. It saved me a max of ~1-2 seconds and I couldn't see the details of what was going on in the boot process, which I like to be able to do.

    I'm glad you're pretty chilled out with it though. You tend to get a lot of people on some forums getting really angry, like the 10 seconds delay on something is a risk to their life and sanity.

    As to the BIOS size, if it's bigger then it must mean it's more complex, which could go some way to explaining it. However the extra size may also be due to "Smart 6" if your board supports these features and also smart TPM. Smart 6 and the Smart dual BIOS contain extra space to store passwords, and I assume when A bios is flashed, the whole cmos is written to, even the"Blank" space reserved for user data. What I mean is if the BIOS is 8MB and 2MB is reserved as user data, the BIOS flash file will still be 8MB so that when the BIOS is sequentially written to, the 2MB user storage is set up in the process.

    If you find out any more about the issue or have any ideas please let us know. I'll do the same too.
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    Default Re: H55 boards - large BIOS, hence slightly longer time to POST?

    Hmm, that is strange regarding your DVD RW drive. I must admit just reading that does sound like it's more likely to be the drive, but I can only guess. Just to check, that only happens when in AHCI mode, right? My feeling would be some compatibility issue.

    Hah, regarding the chilled comment; yeah, I'm not worried at all. i mean, i'd like to understand the reasoning behind such things, but other than that, it's really just to satisfy a curiosity.

    On this BIOS topic again, my sentiments exactly. I figure it's more complex code (for contrast, take a P55 board - the chipset isn't much different at all, yet a typical BIOS is around 1MB) and when you look at the main difference between chipsets, I figure the answer lies there somewhere. I'll be sure to post any more info I come across.

    cheers

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    I thought it may be the drive too. My initial thought was it was funny that it chose the time I switched boards to go belly up and that was a 1,000,000 to 1 chance. however, with my sensible hat firmly strapped on, I re considered because to think that a 1,000,000 to 1 chance could never happen is the same as grossly underestimating the amount of stuff that happens... if that makes sense.

    To satisfy my curiousity I've tested the drive in two other machines, my UD3P built on top of the mobo box and my mother's machine I built her for christmas (a recycled Nvidia chipset LGA 775 Hewlett Packard board and a E5200) all in AHCI mode and the drive was perfect. I might change the drive SATA port from the last port on the Intel sockets to the SATA3 ports and see if that helps. Unfortunately I wouldn't be able to install Windows with AHCI disabled as it's a pain to enable it later (5 min job but time is precious and I'm a lazy git).

    Wierdly I've just come back upstairs from having a cuppa and a smoke. I left GTAIV DVD in the drive from earlier. When I came in the room it was cycling the laser again constantly...... wierd. if it becomes bothersome I'll just give the drive away when I ebay my UD3P and E7400 as a pre OC'd 3.8GHz package. At least I know that regardless of SATA mode the drive behaves well with the UD3P.

    As usual fate seems to intervene with me. I've been eyeing up a nice aluminium bezel'd Blue Ray and DVD rw combi drive. I might just have to buy it now... what a shame....
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    I've just had a brain fart! Is your board one of those that has a DVI/VGA out to support the integrated core i3 GPU's? If so the BIOS may be bigger because it could contain the GPU BIOS. I say this because I highly doubt they'd have the die space on the CPU to fit the GPU and the BIOS.
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    have you taken the plunge on a new system psycho? didnt u think about the i3/h55??
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    Hi Wazza.

    Yes I decided on a native quad core CPU in the end.

    I took GTA to a mate's house. He has an i5 at 4.4GHz and GTA performance wasn't too good tbh. Better than a non HT Dual Core but no where near the levels of a set of four physical cores. I'm really pleased with my i5 too. Was going to get the 750 but the 760 was only 4 more expensive so I got that instead. I was running 4GHz within about 10 minutes of turning the machine on and with a little bit of tweaking I got it 12 hour Prime 95 large FFT stable so far.

    At 4Ghz with my usual GTA4 settings including lower reflection map resolution I'm now getting (according to the built in benchie) 68 FPS average compared to 38 FPS with my E7400 and 49FPS on the i3 @ 4.4GHz. Note that I also took my GPU with me as he had a HD5850 installed along with a 9800GT Green for Hybrid PhysX (hacked). Batman AA has also improved from 53FPS average with normal PhysX on to 73 FPS, the only changes are the mobo, CPU and RAM. I'm about to test Dirt2, Crysis and Far Cry 2.

    Only issues I've had are the ones detailed above. Apart from those, yet again Gigabyte have designed another awesome board.
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