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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    Is that just 2GB of memory?

    Set performance enhance on standard, everything else should be ok with just 2GB.

    Be sure you are using the latest BIOS, and that you start with optimized defaults.

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    Thumbs up Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    Removing all of the memory except one stick resolved the issue on the GA-EP43-UD3L. It booted without issue when I ran it dual-channel with the voltage reset to 1.8v (default). It looks like this was a memory, rather than a motherboard, issue.

    I still need to cycle through the memory and run Memtest+ on all the sticks to determine exactly which ones have issues, but I feel better knowing the fault in question is something easily removed and replaced.

    Boz
    Last edited by Bozanimal; 10-29-2010 at 11:28 PM. Reason: Added detail, corrected grammar and spelling

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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    Your problems are probably due to incorrect bios settings.
    You should load Optimized Bios defaults before you make bios changes.
    Do NOT use Fail Safe default settings.
    It sounds like you are using 2 x 1GB of Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400 memory.
    Use the following bios settings after you have loaded Optimized Bios defaults:
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    Motherboard: EP43-UD3L, Rev#:
    Cpu: E6550
    Ram: Brand, Model/Part#, Link to your ram's specs
    Power Supply Unit: Brand, Model#, Wattage
    
    Default settings for new setups that are not overclocked.
    
    note: replace all ?? with the value displayed in your bios.
    
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster -------------- : [Auto] 
    CPU Clock Ratio ---------------------- : [7] <-- for your e6550
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ----------------- : [0.0] < ignore if not available
    CPU Frequency ---------------------: 2331MHz <-- set by your system
    
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control --------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------------: [333]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ---------- : [100] <--- Set to 100, never leave this on Auto
    
    C.I.A.2 ------------------------------ : [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control ------- [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive ---------------------- : ??? <-- show the value set by your system for these 4 items
    PCI Express Clock Drive -------------- : ???
    CPU Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : ???
    MCH Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : ???
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance ------------------- : [Standard] 
    Extreme Memory Profile --- (X.M.P.) --- : [Disabled] <--- Leave this Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch ---------------- : [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier -------------- : [2.40B] <-- for 800MHz memory speed with FSB = 333MHz
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ---------------- : 800 <-- set by your system
    DRAM Timing Selectable ---------------- : [Manual] 
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time -------- ?? ---------- : [5]
    tRCD  ------------------- ?? ---------- : [5]
    tRP --------------------- ?? ---------- : [5]
    tRAS  ------------------- ?? ---------- : [18]
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD  ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
    tWTR  ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
    tWR --------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
    tRFC  ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
    tRTP  ------------------- ?? ---------- : [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) -------------------- : [Auto] <--- Auto or 0 is OK
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength --------- : Press Enter <--- leave at default setting for now
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value --------------------- : [7]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto] <-- leave this and below set to AUTO
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]  ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value --------------------- : [7]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto] <-- leave this and below set to AUTO
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]  ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto]  ps
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    CPU Vcore --------------- 1.?????  ---- : [Auto] <--- set to the 1.????? value (probably 1.35000 volts)
    
    CPU Termination --------- 1.200V* ----- : [1.20] 
    CPU PLL ----------------- 1.500V* ----- : [1.50]
    
    CPU Reference ----------- 0.755V* ----- : [Auto] <--- Auto Will set this correctly
    CPU Reference2 ---------- 0.800V* ----- : [Auto] <--- Auto Will set this correctly
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.10] <-- this is OK for 2 x 1GB at 800MHz
    MCH Reference ----------- 0.800V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ 0.900V  ------ : [Auto]
    ICH I/O ----------------- 1.500V ------- : [1.50] 
    ICH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.10] 
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ------------ 1.800V ------- : [1.80] <-- for 800MHz with 5-5-5-18 primary memory timings
    DRAM Termination -------- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel A Reference ----- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel B Reference ----- 0.900V ------- : [Auto]
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 ------------------ : [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect -------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ---------------- : [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support ------------------- : [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) ------------ : [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function  --------------------- : [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology -------------- : [Disabled] 
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect  ------------- : [Disabled]
    If your system won't post with these settings using 2 memory modules, try using memory slots #2 & #4 instead of #1 & #3.
    To remove or install memory modules, turn your system off, press and hold the front panel on/off switch to 10 seconds, and then turn off your psu using the on/off psu switch.

    The attached image shows the SPD for your memory.
    You will need to use 5-5-5-18 primary memory timings to run your memory at 800MHz @ 1.80 volts.

    If your system won't post with 2 memory modules installed, boot with only one module installed and provide the screen-shot in step #4 in http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...tml#post295784, post #5.

    We can best help you if you add a detailed hardware list to your forum signature.

    Pressing F9 at the main bios screen should display your bios version.

    Your psu might be part of the problem.
    Hardware Secrets gave it a major thumbs down in their review, more on this later.

    **edit** In re-reading post #12, it sounds like you are using 4 x 1GB. If this is true, your problem is probably related to MCH Core voltage that is too low.
    With 4GB of memory, MCH Core = 1.20 might solve the problem.
    Last edited by profJim; 10-31-2010 at 05:26 PM.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    Thanks ProfJim!

    I have to question whether this is all really necessary. I removed all of the RAM except one stick, and alternated through all four modules. I ran Memtest+ on each stick without any issues, and three out of four passed. When I booted with the single stick I believed was bad it caused the reboot cycle issue, so I could not run Memtest+ on that stick.

    The PC runs fine with any combination of the three other sticks at stock settings, but using the bad stick in any slot causes the reboot issue (no BIOS screen). I cannot imagine a scenario where the issue is anything other than the RAM. Could this really be a BIOS settings issue? My current plan is to RMA the bad stick for a replacement with Crucial, but if there is still a possibility this could be a BIOS error, I can go that route before doing the RMA.

    Hooray Lifetime Warranty!

    Thank you so much,

    Boz
    Last edited by Bozanimal; 11-01-2010 at 01:59 AM. Reason: Added detail and clarity

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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    The devil is in the details!!
    OK, it looks like you're using 4 x 512MB Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400 memory and one module has failed.

    Contact Crucial and explain that one module has failed and see how many of your modules should be returned to them. They might want you to return 1, 2 or all four modules.

    Call them using their 800 toll-free phone number to start the RMA process.
    I have 4 sets of Ballistix memory, 3 2x1GB sets, and one 2x512MB set.
    It's been several years since I called their tech support and on each occasion they promptly answered the phone and their English speaking abilities were excellent ;)

    Let us know how you make out.

    FYI, your E6550 should overclock to about 3.40GHz (about 45 - 50%).
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    Last edited by profJim; 11-01-2010 at 01:31 PM.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Thanks ProfJim,

    I've started the RMA process, and updated my signature so you can get a better look at my system. I've never done any overclocking, but would be happy to give it a go if you've got any links to someone considering dipping their toes in the water, so to speak.

    Thank you,

    Boz

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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    I hope that the good Idaho folks at Crucial don't have too much trouble with your Boston accent

    You can start out with Lsdme's http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ing-guide.html sticky. Don't spend too much time on all the details, you best bet is to get a solid grasp on the relationship between cpu speed (FSB x cpu multiplier) and memory speed (FSB x system memory multiplier). You will also need to understand how important proper stress testing is to ensure that your system is really stable with overclocked settings. Check out the Prime95 link in my signature.

    You can learn a lot by reading our threads, especially the ones that deal with P35 overclocking. There are quite a few excellent sites that have excellent overclocking tutorials. Search for sites that deal with Core 2 Duo o/c tutorials.

    We're here to help you when you're ready to start overclocking.

    Glad to help you out.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    Nice to see you found the culprit here!!

    Crucial RMA should be painless for you, if you have any issues with the RMA let me know and I'll see what I can do for you.

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    Crucial replaced all the memory - all four sticks - even though only one was bad because they are no longer producing my model, which was great. The computer has been back up and running for a bit over two weeks now. I wanted to give it some time before I posted on TweakTown with feedback.

    The computer is operating normally at 2.0V on the memory (its recommended voltage at native timings) with one exception: Whenever I turn it on out of sleep mode it emits a loud, steady buzz/beep from the motherboard speaker for two to three seconds. Any suggestions on what that might be are welcomed.

    Otherwise it is fine. I'm thinking about pursuing the overclocking recommended here, though I must admit I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the new information. That guide by LSDMeASAP is amazing.

    Thank you,

    Boz

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    Default Re: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R - No Video Output

    Glad to hear that your memory RMA fixed the problems.

    Have you switched from your P35 to the EP43 mobo?
    As I recall, the EP43 setup has a maximum FSB at about 415 - 420MHz.
    With your 7X cpu multiplier, this would mean that you will probably be limited to a maximum 26% o/c using 7 x 420 --> 2.94GHz.

    I think that Lsdme posted that increasing PCI Express Frequency from the standard setting of 100 to 103 - 105 will sometimes allow a higher overclock.

    My P35-DS3L backup system is happily running with FSB = 450MHz, with an E6300 (R0) cpu @8X for 3.60GHz. Overall performance is about the same as my E6550 running at 3.44GHz because the E6300 only has 2MB of L2 cache versus the 4MB E6550 L2 cache.

    You will find that running your system near 3GHz speeds will provide a nice performance boost.
    Last edited by profJim; 11-20-2010 at 08:47 PM. Reason: grammar
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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