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    Default Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    Hello everyone!
    This is my first post on this forum, so maybe the question inside is already been asked several times, but I can't find any satisfying solution.
    The problem is really simple, and I think it can be linked to cold boot issue. I have a Gigabyte P35C-DS3R rev 2.0 (bought in september 2007, bios f2), cpu q6600 g0 and 4x1gb Teamgroup ddr2-800 xtreem (micron d9).
    For, at least, three year no problems at all, very happy with it. Starting from august, my pc failed to boot everytime is shutdown from hours. If I try to turn on my pc in the morning, all starts, except cpu cooler and my monitor remain black.
    After reading several forums and posts, I ended up to my problem is 'so called' "cold boot issue". So I try anything: remove all usb, set 'legacy usb support' in bios to disable, disable overclock, try switching ram stiks (and tested with memtest, all ok), but nothing really works. Sometimes my pc boots at second try (turn on, off, on), sometimes requires much more tries. After it boots correctly all went fine, but the problem is really annoying.
    Someone can help me? Is there a definitive solution? Since sending mb to RMA after 3 years is rather useless and updating bios is risky..
    p.s. sorry for english, not really good:)

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    bios update is safe if you use q-flash,read the guide here,it will probably fix it as its required to update the bios from time to time,if it doesnt then you can always flash back

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    The following might help:
    Install a new motherboard battery.
    With your machine turned off and the psu cable disconnected:
    -Disconnect and plug in all power supply cables
    -Remove and re-seat memory modules and all plug-in pci(-e) cards.
    -Perform a thorough cleaning of the inside of the computer case and all cooling fans.

    It's possible that you might need to tweak some bios voltages a bit higher due to minor psu or hardware degradation.

    As stated above, bios flashing using Q-Flash (NOT @BIOS) is safe when you follow the bios flashing guidelines.

    Your english is fine ;)
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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    Yes, please update to the latest BIOS, use the guide above to read about how to use Qflash and here is the latest BIOS for your board.
    http://oldforum.gigabyte.de/forumdow...1/P35CDS3R.zip

    Once updated load optimized defaults and save/apply/reboot BACK to the BIOS.

    Once in the BIOS set your SATA/Disk settings again, then set your ram voltage to spec and put Performance Enhance on Standard, then try 1.2-1.24 MCH voltage (You may need more for 4x1GB)

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

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    Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    The following might help:
    Install a new motherboard battery.
    With your machine turned off and the psu cable disconnected:
    -Disconnect and plug in all power supply cables
    -Remove and re-seat memory modules and all plug-in pci(-e) cards.
    -Perform a thorough cleaning of the inside of the computer case and all cooling fans.

    It's possible that you might need to tweak some bios voltages a bit higher due to minor psu or hardware degradation.

    As stated above, bios flashing using Q-Flash (NOT @BIOS) is safe when you follow the bios flashing guidelines.

    Your english is fine ;)
    Thx for your comment about my english, I always try to do my better eheh:D
    As you suggest, yesterday I already clean all my pc completely, now it shine!:D Also I remove all cables, cards, memory and set them back;) Plus I've already set my memories' voltages to 2.1-2.2v (as required from teamgroup spec).
    I will try to change Cmos battery.

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    Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    bios update is safe if you use q-flash,read the guide here,it will probably fix it as its required to update the bios from time to time,if it doesnt then you can always flash back

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...ash-guide.html
    Lsdmeasap
    Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?
    Yes, please update to the latest BIOS, use the guide above to read about how to use Qflash and here is the latest BIOS for your board.
    http://oldforum.gigabyte.de/forumdow...1/P35CDS3R.zip

    Once updated load optimized defaults and save/apply/reboot BACK to the BIOS.

    Once in the BIOS set your SATA/Disk settings again, then set your ram voltage to spec and put Performance Enhance on Standard, then try 1.2-1.24 MCH voltage (You may need more for 4x1GB)
    Ok as you suggest I try to flash bios to latest version..let's hope there aren't any probs..have bad experience with flashing Gigabyte's Mb, maybe 'cause I used @Bios, if I'm not mistaken.
    I'll tell you the results:)

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    Update:
    I've correctly flashed new bios, f13d. Cpu cooler now start to spin, but monitor remains black. After many tries switching, removing, combining memory sticks, i'm pretty sure (not 100%) that mb fail to start with all 4 sticks inserted. I've already put mch overvoltage +0.2, fsb ov +0.2, mem ov +0.3 and pci-e ov to normal.
    It's a very strange problem. Ah my psu is a good one, seasonic m12 600w, so cant be a problem related to a low quality psu..

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    How much of an overclock were you running for the 3 years?

    Then again you didnt change anything.. its all nice and clean inside now?

    Like any electrical item maximum strain is applied to a pc at switch on especially when components arent warmed up.

    The easiest items to eliminate as a problem cause are the pc fans ,How many do you have aside from the cpu one and the psu one?

    the fans could be "sticky" from cold ,even if you have cleaned them the bearing surfaces may be worn or have deposits and so not start up in time.

    One PC I had the only way I could get it to boot up was to spin the cpu fan with my finger just as I was switching on in order to overcome the initial start up resistance.

    I knew the fan wasnt in great shape because it had started to make noise until the pc had warmed up.
    Worn fans might not be so eay to detect tho.
    Try cold booting with as few as possible or swap them around..
    If its a psu one that could be more difficult.
    What else absolutely has to "move" to post up?

    Switches.. power on .contacts.

    You have cleaned everything + memory contscts as Pro J suggested.
    The memory sockets you cant do much about except vacuum and perhaps change the sticks into different slots to vary the contact points.

    If fans are good and contacts are good/cable connects are good:

    You know something is worn/not performing as new.

    The easiest way to test that is have a backup pc and test each component in turn.
    Like swap psu"s .Test both pcs from cold.
    etc etc.

    The old process of elimination thing :(

    If it turns out the motherboard is "worn"
    What can u do?. either replace or turn up some voltages a bit and see if that cures the cold problem.
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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by kick View Post
    How much of an overclock were you running for the 3 years?

    Then again you didnt change anything.. its all nice and clean inside now?

    Like any electrical item maximum strain is applied to a pc at switch on especially when components arent warmed up.

    The easiest items to eliminate as a problem cause are the pc fans ,How many do you have aside from the cpu one and the psu one?

    the fans could be "sticky" from cold ,even if you have cleaned them the bearing surfaces may be worn or have deposits and so not start up in time.

    One PC I had the only way I could get it to boot up was to spin the cpu fan with my finger just as I was switching on in order to overcome the initial start up resistance.

    I knew the fan wasnt in great shape because it had started to make noise until the pc had warmed up.
    Worn fans might not be so eay to detect tho.
    Try cold booting with as few as possible or swap them around..
    If its a psu one that could be more difficult.
    What else absolutely has to "move" to post up?

    Switches.. power on .contacts.

    You have cleaned everything + memory contscts as Pro J suggested.
    The memory sockets you cant do much about except vacuum and perhaps change the sticks into different slots to vary the contact points.

    If fans are good and contacts are good/cable connects are good:

    You know something is worn/not performing as new.

    The easiest way to test that is have a backup pc and test each component in turn.
    Like swap psu"s .Test both pcs from cold.
    etc etc.

    The old process of elimination thing :(

    If it turns out the motherboard is "worn"
    What can u do?. either replace or turn up some voltages a bit and see if that cures the cold problem.
    In three years i've oc very few times, most times all were on default. All has been cleaned and now shines:P, even memory sockets.
    Actually I have other 2 fans aside from cpu and psu ones, 1 near hds, 1 on the side, opposed to cpu one. Sincerly I doubt it could be related to fans or too much cold..it seems a power related problem.
    As u said, elimination process is always the best method, but atm I dont have any backup item to use, and its difficult to take from friends:D
    Also, I've push some voltages like mch, fsb, vdimm to +0.1-0.2, but no results. Maybe trying with 0.3 on mch? is it risky?

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    Re-Update:
    I also try clear cmos and load optimized default: no results.
    At last, I recognize another very strange thing: when I put 2 sticks it bios show me there are 2 gb installed, and thats ok. But when I put in another stick, for a 3gb total, it shows me only 1gb installed
    To finish, when I put 2 sticks in first slot and in fourth slot it tells me that goes in dual channel interleaved mode. But isnt it wrong?

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    Default Re: Gigabyte P35C-DS3R: cold boot issue maybe: any definitive solution?

    Use memory slots 1 & 3 only and see what the post message is.
    Memory slots 2 & 4 should give the same message as using slots 1 & 3.
    It's a very strange problem. Ah my psu is a good one, seasonic m12 600w, so cant be a problem related to a low quality psu..
    I'm a big fan of Seasonic, but even the best psu can go bad.
    Can you borrow another psu to test with? This should help eliminate the possibility that your current psu is failing.
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