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    Default GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    Hi

    I have problem with boot:
    - sometimes when i press power button computer does not start - fans start and immediately stop. I have to turn PSU off, wait for a few seconds, turn it on and press power button again. Sometimes I have to repeat that a few times.
    - sometimes before computer starts there are few restarts
    - sometimes it is OK - i press power and everthing starts

    I have read few threads about "boot problem" but I can not find solution...
    I have tried a lot of BIOS configurations without positive results.

    My config:
    - intel core i7 950 3,06 Ghz
    - GA-X58A-UD3R rev 1
    - Patriot DDR3 2x2GB 1600 PGS34G1600ELK (Patriot Memory - Products)
    - Gigabyte GTX460 1GB
    - Samsung 1TB
    - be quiet Straight Power 680W

    Current BIOS settings (F6):
    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ............................. [23x]
    CPU Frequency ................................ 3.06GHz (133x23)
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
    CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Enabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ........................... [enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [Auto]
    QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz
    Uncore Frequency ............................ [x17]
    Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [Auto]
    Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [180]
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [Auto]
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance .................... [Turbo]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1600
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
    Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V
    Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.75V
    Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
    Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 [9]
    tRCD ....................................... 8 [9]
    tRP ........................................ 8 [9]
    tRAS ....................................... 24 [24]
    
    
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ [Auto]
    tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
    tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
    tWR ........................................ [Auto]
    tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
    tWL ........................................ [Auto]
    tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
    tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
    tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [Auto]
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
    Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
    CPU Vcore .......................... 1.2375V [Auto]
    QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto]
    CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
    QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
    ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [Auto] <-- was 1.8V like in spec, but I retured to auto after boot failed
    DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Could you give me some advice please? Thanks
    Last edited by fifalk; 11-13-2010 at 11:49 PM.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    You should try BIOS F7f
    http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...a-ud3r_f7f.exe

    Your uncore can't be x17, please check this or your memory multi and let us know the correct values of each. If you are actually using x12 memory multiplier, the minimum bootable uncore would be x24, so that is why I say please check.

    You may or may not be able to ever stabilize that memory, as it was not made for X58, but we can try.

    If you use memory voltage 1.8, then you need to set QPI/Vtt to at least 1.3 manually, QPI/Vtt must remain within at least .5 of dram voltage.

    Once you answer my above questions I'll post back some settings to try, but you may be looking at having to buy a new kit of memory designed for X58/P55 (1.65V rated kits)

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    I've checked settings once again (uncore and memory multi)
    In my previous post I've made copy-pase mistake (Uncore Frequency x17 - it's not mentioned in my Advanced Frequency Settings section. I have there value: 3200 Mhz):

    Code:
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [Auto]
    QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz
    Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [Auto]
    Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance .................... [Turbo]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1600
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
    Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V
    Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.75V
    Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
    Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]
    I hope that helps.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    Thanks!

    OK set your uncore manually always.

    Try these and see how you get along, but you really should be looking at 1.65V rated memory so you are not running 1.8V through your CPU all the time as it's not really healthy.

    Wow, you have your memory set at 2160 Mhz (180 Bclk x 12), or is that another copy/paste error with your Bclk? That's probably also part of the issue if you are using 180 bclk.

    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ............................. [23x]
    CPU Frequency ................................ 3.06GHz (133x23)
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
    CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Enabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ........................... [enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [Auto]  << Set x36
    QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz
    Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [Auto]  << Set 24-26
    Uncore Frequency ...................... 
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [180]  << Set 133, or did you want 180????  If you want 180, I'll have to suggest a different set of settings.
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [Auto]  << Set 100
    
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance .................... [Turbo]  << Extreme may be best
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1600
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
    Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V
    Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.75V
    Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
    Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 [9]
    tRCD ....................................... 8 [9]
    tRP ........................................ 8 [9]
    tRAS ....................................... 24 [24]
    
    
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ [Auto]
    tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
    tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
    tWR ........................................ [Auto]
    tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
    tWL ........................................ [Auto]
    tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
    tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
    tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [Auto]  << Set 1T
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
    Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
    CPU Vcore .......................... 1.2375V [Auto]
    QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto]  << Set 1.3 minimum, but you may need 1.3-1.4
    CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
    QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [auto]  Set 1.2
    IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
    ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [Auto] <-- Set 1.8 
    DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    Thank you for fast reply.

    I'm confused about Bclk settings... In my first post I tried to copy every setting carefully. I don't now why I had such value... Maybe is is mistake as you suggest. It is readonly in my settings (I have also "X" on the left side - next to BCLK Frequency (MHz))

    I'm sorry about that.

    Following your advice I changed my BIOS settings. I'm going to test them and I will report results :)

    My current settings (I marked readonly values):
    Code:
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ............................. [23x]
    CPU Frequency ................................ 3.06GHz (133x23) //readonly
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
    CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Enabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ........................... [enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
    Isochronous Support .......................... [Enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]
    
    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [x36]
    QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz  //readonly
    Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [x24]
    Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz  //readonly
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
    X BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133]  //readonly
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [100]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance .................... [Extreme]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1066    1600 //I have 2 values there - readonly
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
    Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V //readonly
    Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.175V //readonly
    Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
    Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]
    
    Channel A + B + C
    
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 [9]
    tRCD ....................................... 8 [9]
    tRP ........................................ 8 [9]
    tRAS ....................................... 24 [24]
    
    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
    tRC ........................................ [Auto]
    tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
    tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
    tWR ........................................ [Auto]
    tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
    tWL ........................................ [Auto]
    tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
    tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
    tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [1]
    
    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
    Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    
    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
    CPU Vcore .......................... 1.30625V [Auto]
    QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto]
    CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]
    
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
    QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [1.30V]
    IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
    ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
    
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [1.800V]
    DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
    
    Let's add summary info:
    BIOS ver: F6 (I'll try your settings before flashing beta)
    BCLK: 133.27 MHz
    CPU Frequency: 3198.67 MHz
    Memory Frequency: 1599.50 MHz
    Total mem: 4096 MB
    Vcore 1.28 V
    DRAM Voltage 1.792 V
    Is it possible to set lower (healthier) voltage for my memory?
    I'm not sure if the setting from Patriot Memory - Products is "the one and only correct". I can accept worse performence at this moment too.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto] 1.3v minimum he says
    its this lsdme says you have to change to his setting,youll find it at the bottom of the page where the bclk setting is

    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]set to enabled first the it lets you adjust the bclk
    X BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133]

    set dram voltage to 1.66 in the bios
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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    Unfortunately - with new settings I still have booting problems.

    I've just noticed that:
    1) if I switch off Power Strip (PDU) then I'll have booting problems for 99% (fans start and immediately stop).
    I wouldn't say it is "cold boot" - I left the computer unpluged for about 1 minute.
    Then I have to switch PSU off (with PDU on), wait till "clear cmos" led-button fade, switch PSU on and voila, computer boots (sometimes I have to repeat it a couple of times).

    2) if I leave PDU on - then I don't have booting problems...

    Could it be hardware issue?

    Wazza300, Thank you, I'm going to correct this setting.
    edit:
    I've changed those settings:
    Code:
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled] //previous disabled
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133] //previous 133 readonly - now manually
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    CPU
    QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [1.315V] //previous: auto
    
    MCH/ICH
    QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [1.20V] //previous:1.30V
    Last edited by fifalk; 11-14-2010 at 05:28 AM.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    One more question - which AC Back Function should be used?

    Ashamed to admit it, but during testing I was using "hard switching off" by pressing power button for 4 seconds. I've just noticed that if I switch computer off by system command it boots fine after unplag/plug-in PDU.

    Could AC Back Function be the problem here? If that's the problem - how can I easy start the computer after power loss?

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    what is pdu? power surge protection? i have mine set to instant off in the bios
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    Thermalright Silver Arrow Cpu Cooler
    1xSamsung 840 pro 256 Gb SSD windows 8.1 pro 64bit
    1xSamsung f4 HD204UI 2tb hard drive Storage
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    Xfx Pro 750w silver rated Psu 80+
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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

    We need to get a few things clear here, since this is not 1.65V memory made for these boards, are you now setting the memory voltage manually as well as QPI/Vtt?

    You need to, no matter what you set. If you set the stock spec for 1600Mhz of 1.8V, you must set QPI/Vtt to 1.3v at least or you will fry your CPU.

    If you want to try lower voltage you can, but you probably wont be able to run the memory at 1600Mhz.

    This kit was designed for loose timings at higher voltages for 1600Mhz to be ran on older DDR3 boards, not for these (X58/P55) boards, so it's very likely that it cannot do 1600Mhz at a very much lower voltage.

    You may possibly be able to run 1.7-1.75 at 1600, not sure you will have to try and see, but I'm certain it wont do it at 1.65V. Since you are not very familiar with tweaking your BIOS or these motherboards, it would be best if you bought a kit of memory rated at 1.65V, if you can do that it will make your life much easier :)

    If you have to keep this memory, then the following are what I suspect it "Might" do:

    1600Mhz @ 1.75-1.8V - 9-9-9-24 timings (1.7V not very likely to run 1600Mhz)
    1500Mhz @ 1.7-1.75 - 9-9-9-24 timings, possibly 8-8-8-24 (May take the higher voltage for tighter timings)
    1333-1450Mhz @ 1.65 - 8-8-8-24 Timings, may do 7-7-7-20 (Ideal)

    QPI/Vtt must always be within at least 0.5 of the memory voltage (Does not have to be exactly 0.5, just at least / can be more than), so that means the following:

    1.8V memory voltage set - QPI/Vtt must be at least 1.3V
    1.7V memory voltage set - QPI/Vtt must be at least 1.2V
    1.65V memory voltage set - QPI/Vtt must be at least 1.15V (Ideal)

    You should always use your operating system "Shut Down" button/function to shut off your computer.

    As for the BIOS setting, set it as mentioned above, Instant off.

    Leave the computer plugged in, there is no need to unplug it anytime as it will only draw 1-2W at most while off.
    Last edited by Lsdmeasap; 11-14-2010 at 11:18 AM.

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