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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    Attached is an image with the screen shots you requested. The top two CPU-z shots are with the Black Ballistix Tracer DIMMs in Slots 3_1 & 3_3. The bottom two are with the Gold Ballistix DIMMs in Slots 3_1 & 3_3. Aside from the serial numbers, they look the same. The two shots from EasyTune6 show the voltage. I have been running with the two Tracer DIMMs successfully with the BIOS DRAM voltage set to 1.80v which appears to be reported as 1.776v as noted in the top image. I tried bumping the BIOS setting to 1.82v, which yielded the bottom image showing 1.792v. The Gold DIMMs at that voltage still fail the MemTest tests. When I put the Black Tracer DIMMs back in, the system reverted to not booting and giving a continuous short beep cycle followed by a reboot. Putting the Gold back in and resetting the BIOS voltage back to 1.80v and then replacing with the Black Tracer modules allowed me to boot again.

    When I originally contacted Crucial about getting these DIMMs to work in my last MoBo, they said that the SPD values didn't reflect the way I should be using them and to go by what is on the label: 1333MHz 6-6-6-20 1.8V

    Any more suggestions? GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested-gigabyte-screen-shot-jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by Lsdmeasap View Post
    Can you post a CPU-z screenshot of the SPD tab, one for each type of module you have.

    Just want to check what the default voltage is for each at stock speeds.

    If it's 1.8V then they are all the same, and the gold should pass at exactly the same settings as the black ones.

    Also verify with Easytune, HWmonitor, or Everest that your memory voltage is actually being set to 1.8V. You can also check the realtime voltage in the PC Health section of the BIOS, it should be 1.8V or close

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    When I originally contacted Crucial about getting these DIMMs to work in my last MoBo, they said that the SPD values didn't reflect the way I should be using them and to go by what is on the label: 1333MHz 6-6-6-20 1.8V
    Think of the values in the SPD table as safe, "guaranteed" to work values.
    Using your gold modules, try using the JDEC #2 SPD values; 8-8-8-22 and set DRAM Voltage to 1.50 volts. These values are for 1184MHz (2 x 592) speeds, and should be a piece of cake for your system with your current 1066MHz settings.

    It's possible that 1.80 volts is "too much" with your current underclocked (1066) memory settings.
    If Crucial had an XMP profile for 1333MHz in the SPD, it would probably be the 1333MHz 6-6-6-20 @ 1.8V values on the label.
    Are you using memory slots #1 & #3 for all your two module tests?

    Please include Memset using the SPD and ">>" tabs when your post additional screen-shots along with Cpu-z information.
    Including EasyTune6 --> TUNER tab --> ADVANCE tab --> VOLTAGE tab (only the Voltage tab is needed) helps us confirm that applied voltage settings match your posted bios settings.

    If you test with only one gold module at a time, you will probably find that only one of the module has errors and/or boot-loop problems.
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    Thanks for explaining the lingo! It helps me understand a little bit of what is going on (emphasis on the little). I have changed the BIOS settings as you suggested to 8-8-8-22, w/DRAM voltage set to 1.50 and installed both Gold DIMMs. Surprisingly (to me at least), they seem to run MemTest86+ without any errors. Of course, that was only a single pass of the test so I could come back on and post the results. I will run the test overnight to see if it can pass multiple times.

    For what it is worth, the Gold sticks are in slots 2 & 4 at the moment. It seems the motherboard needs to see the RAM in a different slots to break out of the reboot cycle. If I change the slots, I have a better chance of booting successfully.

    GA-EP45T-USB3 &amp; Crucial Ballistix help requested-gigabyte-screen-shot-2-jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Think of the values in the SPD table as safe, "guaranteed" to work values.
    Using your gold modules, try using the JDEC #2 SPD values; 8-8-8-22 and set DRAM Voltage to 1.50 volts. These values are for 1184MHz (2 x 592) speeds, and should be a piece of cake for your system with your current 1066MHz settings.

    It's possible that 1.80 volts is "too much" with your current underclocked (1066) memory settings.
    If Crucial had an XMP profile for 1333MHz in the SPD, it would probably be the 1333MHz 6-6-6-20 @ 1.8V values on the label.
    Are you using memory slots #1 & #3 for all your two module tests?

    Please include Memset using the SPD and ">>" tabs when your post additional screen-shots along with Cpu-z information.
    Including EasyTune6 --> TUNER tab --> ADVANCE tab --> VOLTAGE tab (only the Voltage tab is needed) helps us confirm that applied voltage settings match your posted bios settings.

    If you test with only one gold module at a time, you will probably find that only one of the module has errors and/or boot-loop problems.

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    Think of the values in the SPD table as safe, "guaranteed" to work values.
    My statement (above) is simplistic, as other bios settings need to be properly set, such as in the post I linked to (post #5) in the second post in this thread. It's good that you got the point.

    When you post a screen-shot, please crop the unused white space in the top, bottom, left and right areas before you upload the image image. This will display your screen-shot as a larger image.

    Please include the following information in your screen-shots:
    • Memset using the SPD and ">>" tabs
    • cpu-z CPU and Mainboard screens (several instances can be run at the same time)
    • EasyTune6 --> TUNER tab --> ADVANCE tab --> VOLTAGE tab (only the Voltage tab is needed)
    • CoreTemp screen [for your cpu's VID (Voltage ID)]
    along with any other useful information that relates to your tests.
    Feel free to include your bios settings so that we know what settings were used.
    When you add your bios template settings, your can "wrap" the bios settings in a compact "CODE" section by selecting the bios text and pressing the # icon.

    If your current test completes with no errors,use the following settings:
    Code:
    CPU Clock Ratio -----------------: [6] <-- cpu still underclocked
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ------------: [+0.0] 
    Cpu Frequency (Mhz) -------------: 1200
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------: [375] <-- 6 x 375 = 2.25GHz (underclocked)
    System Memory Multiplier ------- : [3.20B] <-- 375 x 3.20 = 1200MHz memory speed
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time ------- ?? ---- : [8] <-- using Jedec#1 SPD values
    tRCD  ------------------ ?? ---- : [8]
    tRP -------------------- ?? ---- : [8]
    tRAS  ------------------ ?? ---- : [22]
    
    MCH Core ------------- 1.10V --- : [1.26] <-- 1.28 or higher might be needed for stability
    DRAM Voltage --------- 1.80V --- : [1.50] <-- per SPD for 1200MHz
    If there are no errors, the next step will be to test your memory at 1333MHz using 9-9-9-24 (1.50 volts) or the tighter 6-6-6-20 (1.80 volts) with your cpu underclocked.

    Once we've found the maximum stable memory speed with your cpu underclocked, we'll get your cpu running at stock or higher speeds. First we need to know if your memory modules are all OK and that there aren't any problems with your motherboard's memory slots.

    MCH Core = 1.20 (in post #4) is probably the primary cause of your system's instability with your DDR3 memory.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    Let us know how you get along with further testing.

    Thanks for the images, but they didn't show what I was looking for anyway. Odd to see 1333Mhz Tracers and or Ballistix, I always thought they were 1600 or above only.

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    I will have to post the settings and screen shots tomorrow, as it is getting late. After running numerous permutations, it looks like the Black Tracer DIMMs are passing what I am throwing at them with over 5 passes in MemTest each. The CPU is still underclocked at your recommended settings, and I am running at 6-6-6-20 w/1.80v. I haven't figured out how to keep the CPU underclocked, but get the DDR to run at 1333MHz. When I tweak the System Memory Multiplier, it shows the speed at 1500. I am probably missing the obvious and just need to put my brain to rest for the night. I will post the screen shots and BIOS settings in the afternoon tomorrow.

    FWIW, the Gold DIMMs are failing from this point with all the suggested changes. Both fail in Dual channel and in Single channel in any of the slots. All the failures are still showing up in the first byte of the displayed test values (i.e. ff000000), but at different addresses. At 8-8-8-22, there were only 13 failures out of three passes. That low a failure count gives me hope that the settings are close, but not quite there.

    Anyway, further updates tomorrow. Thanks again for the support & help!

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    My statement (above) is simplistic, as other bios settings need to be properly set, such as in the post I linked to (post #5) in the second post in this thread. It's good that you got the point.

    When you post a screen-shot, please crop the unused white space in the top, bottom, left and right areas before you upload the image image. This will display your screen-shot as a larger image.

    Please include the following information in your screen-shots:
    • Memset using the SPD and ">>" tabs
    • cpu-z CPU and Mainboard screens (several instances can be run at the same time)
    • EasyTune6 --> TUNER tab --> ADVANCE tab --> VOLTAGE tab (only the Voltage tab is needed)
    • CoreTemp screen [for your cpu's VID (Voltage ID)]

    along with any other useful information that relates to your tests.
    Feel free to include your bios settings so that we know what settings were used.
    When you add your bios template settings, your can "wrap" the bios settings in a compact "CODE" section by selecting the bios text and pressing the # icon.

    If your current test completes with no errors,use the following settings:
    Code:
    CPU Clock Ratio -----------------: [6] <-- cpu still underclocked
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ------------: [+0.0] 
    Cpu Frequency (Mhz) -------------: 1200
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------: [375] <-- 6 x 375 = 2.25GHz (underclocked)
    System Memory Multiplier ------- : [3.20B] <-- 375 x 3.20 = 1200MHz memory speed
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time ------- ?? ---- : [8] <-- using Jedec#1 SPD values
    tRCD  ------------------ ?? ---- : [8]
    tRP -------------------- ?? ---- : [8]
    tRAS  ------------------ ?? ---- : [22]
    
    MCH Core ------------- 1.10V --- : [1.26] <-- 1.28 or higher might be needed for stability
    DRAM Voltage --------- 1.80V --- : [1.50] <-- per SPD for 1200MHz
    If there are no errors, the next step will be to test your memory at 1333MHz using 9-9-9-24 (1.50 volts) or the tighter 6-6-6-20 (1.80 volts) with your cpu underclocked.

    Once we've found the maximum stable memory speed with your cpu underclocked, we'll get your cpu running at stock or higher speeds. First we need to know if your memory modules are all OK and that there aren't any problems with your motherboard's memory slots.

    MCH Core = 1.20 (in post #4) is probably the primary cause of your system's instability with your DDR3 memory.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    Both gold modules fail when tested individually?

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    375 x 4.0 = 1500MHz memory speed.
    Using 400MHz cpu frequency:
    • 6 x 400 =2.40GHz cpu speed <-- still underclocked
    • 4.00B x 400 = 1600MHz memory speed
    Note: some have had problems at 400MHz. Feel free to use 401 - 405MHz. Using your black Tracer modules, use the looser JDEC #3 memory timings 9-9-9-24 at 1.50 Dram volts. Perform two tests with these settings, using memory slots #1 and #3, followed by using memory slots 2 & 4. This will confirm that the mobo memory slots are not an issue.

    A "final" Tracer test can be performed using the tighter 6-6-6-20 at 1.80 - 1.82 volts.
    With your current under-clocked cpu speed, you can easily test with higher cpu host frequency to find how much higher your memory will run and be stable. Higher memory speeds are great for getting higher synthetic scores, but there will be little real world benefit (in most cases) with higher memory speeds, especially if you need to loosen the memory timings. More on this later.

    It looks like your gold Ballistix modules will need to be RMA'd. Depending on Crucial's stock, you might need to return all four modules and they will send you a matching set of four modules that should work fine.

    I think that one of my 2.2 volt DDR2 ballistix modules is faulty.
    When I called them, they said that they would replace all 8 of my modules (4 sets) so that I would have compatible memory that can be used in any configuration in my systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    Both gold modules fail when tested individually?
    Yes, both fail in any of the four slots when tested as a single DIMM. I went through all eight permutations validating it (in addition to both sticks in slots 1&3 and 2&4 as A / B pairs and then as B / A pairs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    375 x 4.0 = 1500MHz memory speed.
    Using 400MHz cpu frequency:
    • 6 x 400 =2.40GHz cpu speed <-- still underclocked
    • 4.00B x 400 = 1600MHz memory speed

    Note: some have had problems at 400MHz. Feel free to use 401 - 405MHz. Using your black Tracer modules, use the looser JDEC #3 memory timings 9-9-9-24 at 1.50 Dram volts. Perform two tests with these settings, using memory slots #1 and #3, followed by using memory slots 2 & 4. This will confirm that the mobo memory slots are not an issue.

    A "final" Tracer test can be performed using the tighter 6-6-6-20 at 1.80 - 1.82 volts.
    With your current under-clocked cpu speed, you can easily test with higher cpu host frequency to find how much higher your memory will run and be stable. Higher memory speeds are great for getting higher synthetic scores, but there will be little real world benefit (in most cases) with higher memory speeds, especially if you need to loosen the memory timings. More on this later.

    It looks like your gold Ballistix modules will need to be RMA'd. Depending on Crucial's stock, you might need to return all four modules and they will send you a matching set of four modules that should work fine.
    So, here are the results from my latest round of testing. At the current settings, the Gold Ballistix are DNF. This was tested with both DIMMs in slots 1 & 3 / 2 & 4 as well as with each one tested alone, in each of the four slots. The only interesting thing of note is that both DIMMs in slot four (when tested alone) take a lot longer to fail. One of the DIMMs will pass one full round of tests and fail on the second round, the other only shows 13 failures in the first round. All of the other slots will show a failure on the first pass in test 2, 3 or 4 very quickly (and lots of them).

    With the Black Tracer, I set the System Memory Multiplier to 4.00B and tried multiple CPU Host Frequency settings.
    At 375, 9-9-9-24 1.5v works
    At 385, 9-9-9-24 1.5v works
    At 390, 400, 401 and 405, 9-9-9-24 1.5v causes the repeated short beeps and boot cycle
    At 385, 6-6-6-24 1.80v (and 1.82v) causes repeated short beeps and boot cycle

    This was tested with both of the Black Tracer DIMMs in slots 1 & 3 and 2 & 4. I also tested each of the four slots with a single Tracer DIMM and it passed in each one as well.

    Bios settings and screen shots follow...
    Code:
    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster -------------- : [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ---------------------- : [6x]
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ----------------- : [0.0]
    CPU Frequency ---------------------: 2.31 GHz (385 x 6)
    
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control --------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------------: [385]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ---------- : [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 ------------------------------ : [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control ------- [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive ---------------------- : [800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive -------------- : [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [0]
    MCH Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [0]
    
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance ------------------- : [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile --- (X.M.P.) --- : n/a
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch ---------------- : [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier -------------- : [4.00B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ---------------- : [1333   1540]
    DRAM Timing Selectable ---------------- : [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time -------- 9 ---------- : [9]
    tRCD ------------------- 9 ---------- :  [9]
    tRP --------------------- 9 ---------- : [9]
    tRAS ------------------- 24 ---------- : [24]
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD ------------------- 4 ---------- : [Auto]
    tWTR ------------------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
    tWR --------------------- 10 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRFC ------------------- 74 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRTP ------------------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) -------------------- : [Auto]
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength --------- : Press Enter <--- press ENTER to modify memory sub-timings when overclocking
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value ---------- 10 ----------- : [7]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ------- 8 ---------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ------- 8 ---------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ------- 7 ---------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ------- 9 ---------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control ----- 0 ---------- : [Auto] ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control ----- 0 ---------- : [Auto] ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value --------------------- : [7]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
    
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    CPU
    Voltage Types------------ Normal -------- Current -----
    Load-Line Calibration ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore --------------- 1.23750 ---- : [1.23750V]
    
    CPU Termination --------- 1.200V* ----- : [1.200V]
    CPU PLL ----------------- 1.500V* ----- : [1.500V]
    
    CPU Reference ----------- 0.760V* ----- : [Auto]
    CPU Reference2 ---------- ?.???V* ----- : n/a
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.260V]
    MCH Reference ----------- 0.760V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ 0.750V ------ : [Auto]
    ICH I/O ----------------- 1.500V ------- : [1.500V]
    ICH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.100V]
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage ------------ 1.500V ------- : [1.500V]
    DRAM Termination -------- 0.750V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel A Reference ----- 0.750V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel B Reference ----- 0.750V ------- : [Auto]
    
    Advanced Settings
    Limit CPUID Max. to 3 ------------------ : [Disabled]
    No-Execute Memory Protect -------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ---------------- : [Disabled]
    C2/C2E State Support ------------------- : [Disabled]
    x C4/C4E State Support ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) ------------ : [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function --------------------- : [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology -------------- : [Disabled]
    
    Integrated Peripherals
    Legacy USB Storage Detect ------------- : [Enabled]
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