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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    Several possibilities to boot successfully at 390 - 405 cpu speeds:
    • MCH Core = 1.28 - 1.32 might be needed
    • tRD (Static tRead Value) = 8 might help, even thought tRD = 7 should be OK. When tRD is set too tight, this is a common cause for the multiple short beeps. Did you let your system try to boot for at least 3 - 5 boot loop attempts?
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      Disabled is the recommended setting while testing overclock settings. When this is disabled, you won't be able to boot from a USB drive, but USB drive detection will be fully functional when you are in windows.
    With 4 x 2GB of memory, your maximum successful memory speeds might not be stable and the memory speed might need to be lowered somewhat.
    Will you be running applications that require 8GB of memory?

    How high would you like to overclock your cpu once we know the memory's limits?

    **edit** Did your single Tracer tests pass stability testing at 390MHz and higher?
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    Both kits rated DDR-1333, why should the OP run them at 1500+?

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    Oops, I was thinking that his memory was 1600MHz, not 1333MHz.
    Sorry about the confusion.
    His 2 x 2 Tracer tests were stable at 1540MHz speeds, GOOD STUFF!!
    Best bet will probably be to keep memory speeds around 1333MHz, especially if he wants to run with 8GB when his replacement ram arrives.
    Now it's time to test his cpu at stock speeds or higher.

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    lol. Well, I guess it is good to know how fast the RAM can be OC.

    Regarding the latest set of tests (if it still matters)...

    • Bumping the MCH to 3.0 allowed me to boot up to 399. The memtests all fail, but I was able to boot. Nothing higher than 399 works though.
    • Apparently I wasn't stable at 385 either. Am running a last memtest to validate that theory at the old MCH voltage to confirm. At the higher voltage, I seemed to fail a little bit quicker. Small # of failures, the closer to 385 I went (from 399), but still failures.
    • static tRead is still at 7, changing to 8 makes no diff in the permutations of success or failure.
    • Legacy USB is back on because the one wired keyboard I had is serious messed up. So, I had to plug my USB keyboard / mouse back in to do some work at the underclocked successful values (this machine we are working on is my business computer and has payroll, etc. on it).
    • Regarding running 8GB vs. 4GB. I don't have any single app requiring the larger RAM, but Windoze seems to run smoother and multitask better with the 8GB with all the multitasking I do (i.e. Running PhotoShop, having a gazzilion web pages loaded w/Flash, working with Acrobat forms and having a few openOffice spreadsheet and docs open. I can run at 4 GB if I need to, but since I have the RAM, I was hoping to go 8GB and do a little less page thrashing to disk
    • How high to OC the CPU? Well, I was originally only looking to get the low CAS RAM working at stock speeds. I would be happy if I could get a little bit of OC on the CPU and get an overall speed boost. I am certainly not looking at anything extreme or requiring cooling changes, etc.
    • Finally, the question about the single Tracer tests. They both seem to pass or fail at the same settings that I have both DIMMs passing or failing. They seem pretty well matched.

    So, what is next on the todo list? I can bump back down to 1333, or whatever you suggest next.

    I am probably sounding repetitive, but thank you again for the hand holding support. This is fantastic!

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Oops, I was thinking that his memory was 1600MHz, not 1333MHz.
    Sorry about the confusion.
    His 2 x 2 Tracer tests were stable at 1540MHz speeds, GOOD STUFF!!
    Best bet will probably be to keep memory speeds around 1333MHz, especially if he wants to run with 8GB when his replacement ram arrives.
    Now it's time to test his cpu at stock speeds or higher.

    Thanks Chike!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeR View Post
    • How high to OC the CPU? Well, I was originally only looking to get the low CAS RAM working at stock speeds. I would be happy if I could get a little bit of OC on the CPU and get an overall speed boost. I am certainly not looking at anything extreme or requiring cooling changes, etc.
    Depend on the ambiant temperature you may be able to OC 3.4-3.6GHz with stock vcore and LLC enabled so you may not need better cooller.

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    For optimal memory performance, you should use 6-6-6-20 timings around 1333MHz.
    • Option 1: Stock cpu settings using 333MHz, 8.5 cpu multiplier, 4.00B memory multiplier for 1333MHz with 6-6-6-20 timings @ 1.80 volts, tRD = 6 or 7 (lower is better).
    • Option 2: 3.24GHz using 405MHz, 8.0 cpu multiplier, 3.20B memory multiplier for 1296MHz with 6-6-6-20 timings @ 1.80 volts, tRD = 7.
    • Option 3: 3.50GHz using 412MHz, 8.5 cpu multiplier, 3.20B memory multiplier for 1318MHz with 6-6-6-20 timings @ 1.80 volts, tRD = 7.
    tRD = 8 will be required when cpu host freguency is about 420MHz or higher, up to about 470MHz.
    I hope you meant that you set MCH Core = 1.30 volts, not 3.0!

    At this point, a one or two Memtest86+ loop is fine, but you should perform extended stability testing in windows using Prime95 for at least 6 - 10 hours, longer is better. Check out the Prime95 Tutorial link in my forum signature for more information.

    Please include your Q9550 and the make/model of your cpu heatsink in your forum signature.
    If you're using the stock Intel cpu heatsink/fan, your cpu temperatures should be OK up to about 3.40GHz or a bit higher.
    From the above examples, you can see how you can tailor the cpu and memory speeds by varying the cpu and memory multipliers when you're using different cpu host frequencies.

    Glad to help out and see that you're making good progress.
    Please post your bios settings for one of your stable setups using the 6-6-6-20 (1.80 volt) timings.
    Including a screen-shot from step 4 in the post #5 link will help us confirm that everything is okie-dokie.
    I'll take a wild guess that you're no longer pulling your hair out.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    To me, the results were a little weird, but I think I like the final outcome.

    With Option 1, I can't get to 6-6-6-20 1.8v. I tried changing the MCH voltage, DRAM voltage, and tRD, but always end up in a boot cycle that eventually dumps me back to 9-9-9-24 via the MoBo resetting itself.

    I jumped to Option 3, and was able to boot fine, but failed on my MemTest pretty quick. So, instead of dropping to Option 2, I did a couple of tweaks (a little knowledge is dangerous). I am now running with 400 x 8.5 (3.40 GHz) and RAM at 6-6-6-20 with 3.20B, 1.260 MCHv, and 1.80v DRAM. Was able to pass MemTest86+ with three good passes. Started Prime95 and ran the Blend torture test 10 hours. The screen shot shows the temps while the stress test was still running. Temps are a little high for comfort (albeit under a load I will likely rarely see): peak of 93 for core 0 & 88 for the other three cores and average of 88 core 0 & 86 for the other three. I seem to be running 49-50 while running idle in my already toasty room (72 degrees).

    Below are the screen shots and BIOS settings. What are your thoughts at this point? It seems strange, but when I get too close to 1333, the sticks don't work well at 6-6-6-20. Of course, I am pretty close at this point and it works for me. Having said that, when I RMA the gold Ballistix, I will probably have to go through this all again. I think you have educated me enough that I know the process to go through. My only real concerns is that I don't know how high on can go on the various settings without doing damage, so if I run into problems at that point, I will probably be back on the forum.

    Needless to say, I am no longer pulling my hair out. Thanks for saving me before I went bald!

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    Robust Graphics Booster -------------- : [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ---------------------- : [8x]
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ----------------- : [0.5]
    CPU Frequency ---------------------: 3.40 GHz (400 x 8.5)
    
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    CPU Host Clock Control --------------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) --------------: [400]
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ---------- : [100]
    
    C.I.A.2 ------------------------------ : [Disabled]
    
    Advanced Clock Control ------- [Press Enter]
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    PCI Express Clock Drive -------------- : [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [0]
    MCH Clock Skew (ps) ------------------ : [0]
    
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    System Memory Multiplier -------------- : [3.20B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ---------------- : [1333   1280]
    DRAM Timing Selectable ---------------- : [Manual]
    
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time -------- 9 ---------- : [6]
    tRCD ------------------- 9 ---------- :  [6]
    tRP --------------------- 9 ---------- : [6]
    tRAS ------------------- 24 ---------- : [20]
    
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD ------------------- 4 ---------- : [Auto]
    tWTR ------------------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
    tWR --------------------- 10 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRFC ------------------- 74 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRTP ------------------- 5 ---------- : [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) -------------------- : [Auto]
    
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength --------- : Press Enter <--- press ENTER to modify memory sub-timings when overclocking
    
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value ---------- 10 ----------- : [7]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment -------- 0 ---------- : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ------- 8 ---------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ------- 8 ---------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ------- 7 ---------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ------- 9 ---------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control ----- 0 ---------- : [Auto] ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control ----- 0 ---------- : [Auto] ps
    
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value --------------------- : [7]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment ------------------ : [Auto]
    Trd2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank) ----------------- : [Auto]
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control --------------- : [Auto] ps
    
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    Load-Line Calibration ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Vcore --------------- 1.23750 ---- : [1.23750V]
    
    CPU Termination --------- 1.200V* ----- : [1.200V]
    CPU PLL ----------------- 1.500V* ----- : [1.500V]
    
    CPU Reference ----------- 0.760V* ----- : [Auto]
    CPU Reference2 ---------- ?.???V* ----- : n/a
    
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.260V]
    MCH Reference ----------- 0.760V ------- : [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Ref ------------ 0.750V ------ : [Auto]
    ICH I/O ----------------- 1.500V ------- : [1.500V]
    ICH Core ---------------- 1.100V ------- : [1.100V]
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    DRAM Voltage ------------ 1.500V ------- : [1.800V]
    DRAM Termination -------- 0.750V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel A Reference ----- 0.750V ------- : [Auto]
    Channel B Reference ----- 0.750V ------- : [Auto]
    
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    x C4/C4E State Support ----------------- : [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) ------------ : [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function --------------------- : [Disabled]
    Virtualization Technology -------------- : [Disabled]
    
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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    For optimal memory performance, you should use 6-6-6-20 timings around 1333MHz.
    • Option 1: Stock cpu settings using 333MHz, 8.5 cpu multiplier, 4.00B memory multiplier for 1333MHz with 6-6-6-20 timings @ 1.80 volts, tRD = 6 or 7 (lower is better).
    • Option 2: 3.24GHz using 405MHz, 8.0 cpu multiplier, 3.20B memory multiplier for 1296MHz with 6-6-6-20 timings @ 1.80 volts, tRD = 7.
    • Option 3: 3.50GHz using 412MHz, 8.5 cpu multiplier, 3.20B memory multiplier for 1318MHz with 6-6-6-20 timings @ 1.80 volts, tRD = 7.
    tRD = 8 will be required when cpu host freguency is about 420MHz or higher, up to about 470MHz.
    I hope you meant that you set MCH Core = 1.30 volts, not 3.0!

    At this point, a one or two Memtest86+ loop is fine, but you should perform extended stability testing in windows using Prime95 for at least 6 - 10 hours, longer is better. Check out the Prime95 Tutorial link in my forum signature for more information.

    Please include your Q9550 and the make/model of your cpu heatsink in your forum signature.
    If you're using the stock Intel cpu heatsink/fan, your cpu temperatures should be OK up to about 3.40GHz or a bit higher.
    From the above examples, you can see how you can tailor the cpu and memory speeds by varying the cpu and memory multipliers when you're using different cpu host frequencies.

    Glad to help out and see that you're making good progress.
    Please post your bios settings for one of your stable setups using the 6-6-6-20 (1.80 volt) timings.
    Including a screen-shot from step 4 in the post #5 link will help us confirm that everything is okie-dokie.
    I'll take a wild guess that you're no longer pulling your hair out.

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    Yup, those temps are way too high.
    I wonder if your Intel heatsink is properly seated, maybe one of the mounting pins isn't fully seated. Normal Prime95 blend tests would be in the low to mid 50 (C) degree range. With the mediocre Intel heatsink, maybe up to 60 - 65 degrees. How many case fans are you using?

    I think that MCH Core voltage is a bit low with 2 x 2GB of DDR3 memory. Raising it to 1.28 might help with booting and stability. I wouldn't worry about running with memory speeds around 1200MHz with your 6-6-6-20 memory timings.

    Ya, a little knowledge can be dangerous, and a lot of knowledge can be deadly.

    You're doing goodly, keep at it.
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    Yeah, I thought they were a little too high. In addition to the PSU fan, I have the stock Antec Sonata III fan - a 120mm tricool fan in the rear. That fan has a manual speed switch and was running at the fastest speed of the three settings.

    I just reseated the heatsink last night before running the tests. I wiped off the old thermal compound, swabbed both CPU and heatsink with iso. alcohol to get it clean. Laid down a new layer of thermal compund and reseated everything. I know the heatsink is on pretty tight, because one of the pins was a real $#&! to get back in. After doing that, the temps were lower than before, but still the numbers you saw in the prior post were with this setup, not the earlier setup. I can see if I can drop some more compound on later today and see if that helps, maybe I am not putting it on thick enough. I will give that a shot later today. I have always been running warmer than it seems other folks postings indicate they run.

    Maybe I should just give up on the stock heatsink. Any recommendations if I do have to go the route of replacing it (i.e. putting more compound on doesn't help)? I am hopeful to run somewhat quiet, which is why I went with the Sonata. The stock heatsink is pretty silent (but I can hear it spooling up when the mobo increases the RPMs). It is a pretty tight fit between the two mobo heatsinks, not sure if that will be a factor in finding a replacement.

    FWIW, with the case open, I see a drop of 3-5 C at idle. I am running 45 on Core 0, and 43-44 on the others. From what I see, other folks are running in the 30's at idle.

    Oh yeah, one more thing. I dropped the MCH voltage to 1.26 as an experiment to see if I could drop the temp it was running at. Since everything still seemed stable (i.e. I could pass MemTest and P95), I thought I would keep it lower. Should I still bump it to 1.28 just to play it safe?
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-USB3 & Crucial Ballistix help requested

    Don't put on more thermal compound!!!
    Check out Arctic Silver, Intel Instructions for detailed information. They also have an AMD cpu instruction section.
    There are many excellent web tutorials dealing with thermal compound techniques and you'll go crazy with the differing opinions.
    FWIW, I subscribe to the the "grain of rice" or "small pea" method. You'll know that you've got it right when you remove the heatsink and see a thin skim coat that covers the full contact area between the cpu and the heatsink.

    Go into the bios and disable the cpu fan speed control so that the cpu fan will run at full speed to help lower temperatures.
    There are many middle tier cpu coolers for about $40 that will do a good job with moderate overclocks. Most good cooler reviews include charts that compare the results with other coolers.
    Happy hunting.
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