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    Arrow Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    From what I understand.

    1.If u dont use sata 2 ports on your sandybridge mbrd you will have no problems at all?
    2.Aside from the availability problem of 1155 parts mbrds more than cpus atm from known suppliers,yeh ebay still has plenty ,but they are at full retail cost or close to it.
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    The standard setup from intel has 2xsata 3 ports and 4xsata 2.
    That means u can only connect 2 sata devices without running the risk of damage /conroller failure.
    4.
    Get hold of a board with more than two sata3 6gb/s ports ,say four minimum and u should be ok.marvell controller etc.
    Hopefully there may be some around from retailers that wont be "retrieved" but will still be sold at a reduced price.
    LoL I like the word retreive or retreival announcement.

    "ok lads we got to say something about the chipset problem"
    "ok lets make a recall announcement"
    "Are u crazy! we cant use the word recall think of something else"
    "Ive got it ..retreival!"
    "Ok thats good, sounds like something got misplaced .and were gonna find it "

    5. Gigabyte boards dont seem to be well provided with extra sata 3 ports as standard ,an exception being the ud7 and thats a hi end board(i could be wrong).
    There are other boards with more sata 3 as standard.

    cpu's in theory shouldnt drop in price,but if retailers get some delivered and want to unload them the general "scare" might force em to drop the price.
    More likely to be medium volume range suppliers the rest may be just able to send them back .

    It would suit us ,the "bang for your buck" buyers if the retailers did keep selling the b stepping stock(at reduced prices) might be able to pick up a bargain.
    Newegg etc can afford to just pull everything others might not.

    If everyone pulls the boards from sale or they dont reduce prices a bit then it would hardly be worth messing around before z68 comes out and as intel have told us that chipset is still on schedule for q2 release ,,hah.

    Memory prices well the "specially tested on p67 " header wont be a big selling point right now.. so might be some excess stock of memory around also.

    Ill be keeping an eye on special "sandyscare" sell offers ready to swoop

    Bet theyre sorry they called it sandybridge now.. things built on sand etc..nm.
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    You probably won't be seeing any bargains. Retailers will simply exchange their stock for newer stepping chipset versions and a huge amount of system builders that have used SB and P67 will issue a recall too, meaning even those ignorant to the inner workings of their PC will be getting their stuff replaced.

    That plus the fact that any "faulty" boards left in circulation will be worth considerably less second hand after the RMA "offer" ends will encorage people who self-built to get their board exchanged/refitted. There's no way I wouldn't get a duff board replaced.

    In short, you'd be pretty pushed to find a huge amount of stock, and even if there was, the fact that you could RMA what you buy and get a revised replacement would prevent the price from dropping drastically low.
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    I'd just buy the CPU atm and wait till the mb's get fixed,181 pound for i5 2500k is a good price atm,I paid 186 gbp for my 920 d0 when they came out and prices have only risen,so the same will happen with the current crop of chips imo
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    There are some strange prices etc going around

    Newegg,Tigerdirect (Usa) and one german supplier are the only ones ive seen who have still got both the mbrds and cpu's pulled.

    Amazon and dabs had both pulled,but now both cpu's and mbrds are back and yes some listed as in stock and ready for delivery now . Seems very strange.

    European vendors as of today 3rd feb.
    these are minimum 4 x sata3.0 ports as standard.
    motherboards/Intel Socket 1155 (DDR3) 4x &#124; Skinflint Price Comparison EU

    This is current listed availability of the ga p67 ud4 on same comparison site .

    Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4, P67 (dual PC3-10667U DDR3) in stock &#124; Skinflint Price Comparison EU


    Edit:
    Here is an update from a large component supplier in england posted 11 hrs ago

    "For those of you wonderin all OcUK's motherboard vendors which includes Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Intel, Foxconn and Asrock have agreed the following with OcUK:-

    All of the above parties have agreed on a intermediate solution to the Sandybridge problem.

    As there is *NO* Immediate Danger/Fault and as this fault is likely to affect a small number of boards over time and Replacement Stock will Not be available until realistically April/May, all the parties above have Guaranteed Direct Swap Out of all P67/H67 Boards bought from OcUK should you the end user wish to do so at a later date. The above manufacturers will launch plans after Chinese New Year with instruction on how to register to get your board swapped out for a new B3 revision which will happen in April/May time no doubt direct with the manufacturer.

    Based on this Swap Out Guarantee we have decided to keep all our Sandybridge based mainboards on sale.

    The Decision to buy and use still lies upon you the end user.




    A lot of you were moaning earlier this week of how bad it was of us to keep on selling the boards, saying oh look your competitors have removed from sale and now look competitors seem to be re-listing them for sale. We made it clear there was and still is an issue but at least left our customers to decide for themselves. Now those same competitors are all of a sudden selling kit again, wonder why that is..........."
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    Rather than keep a single post too long, and, as I thought it might be the situation, things are still rather fluid.
    so what do we have..
    1. We assume the 2000 chips themselves are ok otherwise there would be mucho doo doo.

    2.The oem manufacturers are driving this,it was after all they who discovered the problem in the first place.

    3.The big 3 mbrd manufacturers which I believe are now Asus ,Gigabyte and Asrock , despite all the protestations of we are looking out for u the customer are concerned with the bottom line.
    If shall we say this problem only affected motherboards purchased by individuals building their own rigs it wouldnt be such a big deal, it still would be for us.

    4. All the dellomatic type manufacturers are pulling their sandybridge based systems announced yday, so that major part of the market is dead until, lets be generous and say mid april.
    The mbrd manufacturers will understandably be more conncerned with getting "good" p67 out to oem's ,volume sales etc.
    Massive component suppliers like newegg have dropped the lines for now. Economies of scale,they can afford to+ being that large they will be concerned about lawsuits etc.


    The thing is ive been price and supplier watching,and certain retailers had cpu's due in 3rd of february.
    I thought to myself ,yeh right all of a sudden delivery will be delayed indefinitely or some thing ,but no 3rd feb arrives and cpu's available..order now.. and get by fri or wotever.. and mysteriously mbrds appear to go with em :0.
    There is also the consideration of the ddr3 "specially tested on p67" memory suppliers "moan moan what about our sales".These are the performance memory guys, the big names ..they cant afford to have ddr3 stocks building up. Where is their market?.
    Possible 1156 buyers already know their gear is outdated(when 1155 is fixed) for new buyers at least and its too soon for em to upgrade,wouldnt be worth it.The same would apply to possible 1366 buyers.Gear is still comparatively expensive altho tried and tested and most of the performace buyers would be looking for 3 sticks matched.So where is their sales outlet for new dual channel ddr3 performance memory?.
    The oems just use no frills memory anyway.

    Where does that leave us pc "builders"

    A. Those that have p67 systems already with two x sata 3.0 ports ,is use only those as much as possible.
    Those who have boards with 4-6 sata3.0 ports well u should be ok until the "fix" beomes available, and have more options. The majority probably wont need to use the sata 2.0 ports at all.
    Other than that it seems to be just wait till april if you want to keep using the machine .. or maybe some can get a full refund(Then what do you buy tho?)
    There will be downtime involved also if you do decide to return your mbrd.
    Something else that would concern me is bios updates,How busy are the bios beavers gonna be on problems between now and april or will all b2 board owners just have to make do with what ever is out now.

    B. The prospective p67 buyers that were waiting to jump in.I would be one of those.
    There are a number of factors to consider.
    (1)
    The single most important one for me at least is cost.I was willing to pay the 350 or sofor cpu and mbrd before the "problem", but now for the "risk factor" I would expect some discount.

    (2)Whether thats in the form of marvell controllers being supplied by the retailer at cost or an actual price reduction ,there should be something.
    I have most of the original cost quotes,pre delivery ones also.

    (3)If medium lvl suppliers have stock that has just arrived ,i want to see a price reduction on it .Even if its just a question of using up stock and the mbrd manufacturers really have "destroyed/stopped delivery" of any b stepping mbrds to anyone.
    Taking a gamble on things like whether by april/may z68 will be out ,intel announce the new i5 and i7 2700k and 2800k respectively while I am still waiting for a rma etc etc should provide some benefit to me.

    I wouldnt be interested in buying a 2500k cpu or more especially a 2600k cpu in the expectation that the price might actually increase!.I could take it out n look at it every so often while my trusty ol lga 775 cpu provided the computing power.no thx.

    The situation on your i920 is a little different wazza, now the i950 is approx the same price I think? and didnt all low end i7 9xxx get a big price drop last year sometime.Also when you bought yours there was no x58 problem,there hasnt been as far as I know ?
    Like I say I dont mind going for some of the excess stock thats floating around but just on principle ,because of the "problem" it better be cheaper than pre Jan 31.

    Just as an aside .in press releases from mbrd manufacturers the nasty word "recall" is still avoided.
    Asus have gone for the user friendly word "recovery". Sick patient on the mend.
    Then there is the above "swap out"for all manufacturers. Tag team wrestling, get another hitter up here.
    Gigabyte have gone for "retrieval". Finding the thing that was lost.

    Id go for "renovation"or perhaps "makeover".Sounds like were doin you a favour.
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    The only supplier who still stocks 920 do are ebuyer,at around 220gbp last time I checked,only other option is 930 or 950 and are roughly same price,so in 2 years the 920 has risen in price,if I were you and your thinking of a p67 then go for it while launch prices are low + you will have a new mb after 3-4 months and can decide to keep or upgrade again,I've seen exact same thing happen with tri channel memory,96gbp I paid,now I've seen ram for 200gbp
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    yeh perhaps
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    main point is there is a new chipset due out this year for sandybridge,the present mbrds have a problem,, who can say if the next 2000k iteration will be better or worse than the 2500/2600.
    there is no guaranteed platform for sandybridge cpu until say april.

    i7 920 on release..,there was nothing better in overclocking for a long time,maybe still isnt i 930 wasnt very popular,i 950 seems ok for the same price.There was no x59 chipset due soon. There was no problem with x58 boards.
    Im just not buying a 1st release cpu with nothing to put it in or a first release cpu with something to put it in that is dodgy without some price reduction from pre problem release.
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    Default Re: Sandybridge using Sata 3 6gb/s ports only + grab any cost reductions .

    Intel is the driving force behind the recall, not OEM's. Every single company with an interest in Sandy Bridge will want the issue resolved, so Intel will be receiving pretty much equal pressure from all angles. An fictional "what if" situation where only self built systems were effected isn't relevant, the P67 chipset is used everywhere, as has every other Intel chipset for many many years. Intel has to do something about the situation or everyone concerned will be upset. Of course the OEM market is key, but public opinion is what drives OEM sales, ie what brand people recognise and how they view their reputation.

    By all accounts, the problem with the chipset is in a metal layer created much later in production. Intel probably already have chips that are part way in production. This means that they can simply use a new photomask to complete the revised chips. They are after all based on a 65nm process, which is tried and true tech, meaning a fix will likely be pretty easy. At least easier than trying to do the same on say 32nm cutting edge lithography.

    You are definitely not entitled to any form of discount. It was simply a production glitch and the current boards in circulation should be withdrawn from sale. If you choose to buy a board now then that is your lookout. Assuming you find a vendor willing to sell you one, your only options are to either buy it and use it until you can get it RMA'd for replacement (preferably drop-shipped) or simply do not buy one until every board on sale is of the newer revision. In cases where stock was aquired through non-mainstream channels, like for example an ebay company that managed to get hold of a certain quantity and has no way of returning them via official channels, you might get a discount. That would be completely up to them. I wouldn't buy anything like that, it's questionable to say the least. Even then, you, as an end user could then get a RMA from the manufacturer, meaning the amount of money off would probably be negligable as the supplier would point your RMA option out as a reason.

    Any stock a seller has can easily be swapped out at a later date to their company rep etc. That being the case, it simply wouldn't make sense to discount them. Anyone with any business sense would simply have the stock exchanged when possible and sell full RRP.
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