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    Default Re: EP45-UD3P / Q9300 Help with getting 3.4Ghz+ Stable

    Normally when the system caught in boot loop it's enough to turn the power off, and discharge the capacitors by pressing the power button, wait 10-15 seconds, power up and boot again. The system will boot after 2-3 attempts.
    If this is not enough, clearing CMOS is nesessarry.
    A trick I've learned from Lsdmeasap, is to connect the reset button to the CLR_CMOS pins for easy CMOS clearing.

    EDIT: just a thought, if you are going to try SMM 2.40B again, try also setting driving strength profiles of both channels to 1200.
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    well its not a boot loop, it will try to apply my settings that worked previously but this time it won't boot with them. Thanks guys I will try those.
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    Ok, it will NOT boot with a B multi, just like you said Jim. I even tried 12 tRD and OC-1200 Driving Strength and it will NOT boot. I have to Load Optimized Defaults, reboot, then load my saved Known Good config, with is 467x7.5*2.00D - I may try 8 tRD, but it will not boot with a 7 tRD, but I DID have Driving strength set on AUTO.

    If my ram is at 934, would it be OK to load 1066 Strength Profile to try a lower tRD?
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    1066 Driving Strength is OK.
    I think that tRD = 9 is the lowest you can go with 467 x 2.00D.
    tRD = 8 with 467 x 2.00B should/might be stable.
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    well its been stable for 12 hours on blend. I think I am going to stop at this FSB.

    now, I ask you guys, do you have any ideas on how to get 2.40B to work? Or is it just not feasable with this fsb?
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    If you'll post your current stable bios template, this will assist others.

    With my former 2x 2GB 1066 memory, my E6550/EP45 system was stable with 458 x 2.40B = 1099MHz using tRD = 8 with 5-5-5-15 memory timings, but didn't want to run at higher speeds, even with more DRAM voltage and looser primary memory timings. In Conners' Q8550/EP45 o/c quest, his system was stable with:

    CPU Frequency .............................:3.91MHz (460x8.5)

    CPU Host Clock Control..................:Enabled
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............:460
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ........:100
    C.I.A.2 .................................:Disabled

    Performance Enhance...................:Standard
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)....:Disabled
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............:Auto
    System Memory Multiplier ..............2.40B
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ...1066...:1104
    DRAM Timing Selectable ...............:Manual

    CAS Latency Time.............5........5
    tRCD ..............................7........5
    tRP'.................................7........5
    tRAS..............................24.......15

    Static tRead Value ......................8

    My E6550/EP45 was good with 7 x 458 = 3.206GHz and 2.40B x 458 = 1099MHz with 5-5-5-15 timings and tRD = 8.
    It was noticeably stronger with 7 x 492 = 3.444GHz and 2.00D x 492 = 984 MHz with 5-5-4-12 timings and tRD = 9.

    Have you tried using 467 x 2.00B = 934 with tRD = 8? Memory timings = 5-5-4-14 or 5-4-5-12 might be stable. At the same speeds, using the B-memory strap with a lower tRD setting will give slightly better performance than the D-strap with tRD = 9, but not enough to be noticeable.

    Why do some systems do somewhat better than others? A better mix of components, or some hardware performs a bit better than identical hardware in another system.
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    Thanks Jim, I have to go away on business this weekend, so I will try those settings when I return.
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3P / Q9300 Help with getting 3.4Ghz+ Stable

    Ahh been out of the gigabyte forum for awhile .

    I used to run my Q8400 at 4.ghz ,I have it detuned now as i changed out its psu for my new pc and running with fewer fans.
    gskill p1 should be good for 990-1000 pl 9 with tweaking.

    Memory on a 1:1 basis ie a 2:00 multiplier allways worked the best for me,which means either underclocking your 1066,using 1000 or overclocking your 800mhz sticks.

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    Code:
    Robust Graphics Booster ...............: [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio .......................: [   7]
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................:  +0.5
    CPU Frequency .........................: 3.50GHz
     
    Clock Chip Control 
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled] 
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............:  467
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........:  100
    C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
     
    Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
    CPU Clock Drive........................: 800mV
    PCI Express Clock Drive................: 900mV
    CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................:   50ps
    MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................:   0ps
     
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance....................: [STANDARD]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Disabled]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch.................:  AUTO
    System Memory Multiplier ..............:  2.50A 
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................:  1166
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
     
    Standard Timing Control
    CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
    tRCD ..................................: 6
    tRP'...................................: 6
    tRAS...................................: 18
     
    Advanced Timing Control
    tRRD...................................: 3 [Auto]
    tWTR...................................: 3 [Auto]
    tWR....................................: 6 [Auto]
    tRFC...................................: 54 [Auto]
    tRTP...................................: 3 [Auto]
    Command Rate (CMD) ....................: 0 [Auto]
     
    Driving Strength Profiles
    Driving Strength ......................: [OC-1200]
     
    Channel A
    Static tRead Value.....................:  9  [12]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................:  6 [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................:  6 [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:  5 [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:  8 [Auto]
     
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [Auto]
     
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    DDR Write Training.....................: [Auto]
     
    Channel B
    Static tRead Value.....................:  9  [12]
    tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................:  6 [Auto]
    tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................:  6 [Auto]
    tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:  5 [Auto]
    tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:  8 [Auto]
     
    Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [Auto]
    Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [Auto]
    Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [Auto]
    Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [Auto]
     
    Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [Auto]
    DDR Write Training.....................: [Auto]
     
    Motherboard Voltage Control
    Voltage Type...........................: [Manual]
     
    CPU---------------------Normal-----------Current
    Load Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
    CPU Vcore...............1.20000V.......: 1.31875V
    CPU Termination.........1.200V.........: 1.300V
    CPU PLL.................1.500V.........: 1.500V
    CPU Reference...........0.760V.........: 0.823V  
     
    MCH/ICH
    MCH Core................1.100V.........: 1.300V
    MCH Reference...........0.760V.........: [Auto]
    MCH/DRAM Reference......0.900V.........: [Auto]
    ICH I/O.................1.500V.........: 1.570V
    ICH Core................1.100V.........: 1.200V
     
    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage............1.800V.........: 2.220V
    DRAM Termination........0.900V.........: [Auto]
    Channel A Reference.....0.900V.........: [Auto]
    Channel B Reference.....0.900V.........: [Auto]

    OK so this is where I am at. I tried 2.40B, and it would NOT boot. 2.50A is working great so far, screenshot here:



    Any ideas on where to start tweaking further?

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    EDIT: Now running at 5-6-5-18-2T with tRD@9. Now I think I could PUSH to 480x7.5=3.6GHz with RAM at 2.50A=1200MHz
    BUT- I feel the voltage curve on this chip might go too high for comfort. This poor Zalman CNPS9900 is reaching it's max and I dont think I want to go much further, without saving up for a H70. (or trying to apply the tim better)

    Thoughts?
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    Which stress tests have you run and for how long?
    Memtest86+ and IBT (or LinX) are good preliminary tests, but are only a starting point.
    Including the IBT results along with CoreTemp or RealTemp screens will provide useful information.

    An excellent benchmark/stress test is to:
    1. zip a 5GB or larger folder
    2. test the zip file for integrity
    3. unzip the large zip file to a new folder
    Using 7Zip, my system takes 20 minutes to perform theses tests using the My Documents folder (size = 10.6GB) which is located on my hard drive, and I time each of the three steps. Credit goes to Psycho101 for suggesting the zip test.

    If there are no errors with the zip tests, my "final" test is to run Prime95 tests or HCI Memtest (in windows) to ensure that my system is stable. If you're into gaming, playing your most demanding games for several consecutive hours is a good way to further test your system's stability.

    Some of the memory settings can be further tightened for a bit more performance.
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