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    Default Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my mojo?

    Are there significant differences between a 930 and a 960 that would prevent the 960 from OC'ing with settings relatively close to the 930?

    I just replaced my 930 (which I had running great at a 3.6 OC I think) with a new 960. After loading the fail safe and/or optimized defaults, it runs fine. When I went in and applied the same settings and tweaked some of the voltages up from the good 930 settings, it was a no go. Wouldn't post or boot.

    Particularly, what settings would be affected and would need to be revised when going from 930 to the 960? I haven't messed with this for a year or so and have forgotten a lot of the basic I knew a while back.

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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    Quote Originally Posted by RCA Victor View Post
    Are there significant differences between a 930 and a 960 that would prevent the 960 from OC'ing with settings relatively close to the 930?

    I just replaced my 930 (which I had running great at a 3.6 OC I think) with a new 960. After loading the fail safe and/or optimized defaults, it runs fine. When I went in and applied the same settings and tweaked some of the voltages up from the good 930 settings, it was a no go. Wouldn't post or boot.

    Particularly, what settings would be affected and would need to be revised when going from 930 to the 960? I haven't messed with this for a year or so and have forgotten a lot of the basic I knew a while back.

    X58A-UD5 Rev. 1 board, F6 bios.

    Thanks guys.
    Every cpu will overclock differently and require different voltages. This is true for 2 i7-930's or 2 i7-960. If you change the cpu you have to learn how the cpu handles overclocking and how it likes voltages.

    The big thing in the cpu's that make them act so differently while overclocking is the memory controller on the cpu. If the memory controller is weak it will not overclock so well or it will require more voltages to achieve the same overclock.

    The correct thing do is with the i7-930 installed make sure the motherboard has the latest bios or beta bios installed. Shut down the system. Clear the cmos before/during swapping out the cpu. On boot up with new cpu i7-960 installed. Enter bios and load optimized defaults. save and exit bios. Reboot back into the bios and make other changes needed. Once all set up with stock settings then slowly start overclocking the new cpu.

    This same approach is taken when updating the bios. Changes could be made in the bios to make the system more stable so this may require more or less voltage then what was needed in the previous setup.

    Also you have to look at you are going from a 4 core cpu to a 6 core cpu that is a big difference in cpus. Also I believe the i7-930 is on the 45mn tech while the i7-960 is on the 32mn tech. This also should require less voltage but then again you added 2 more cores.
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    Did you set a manual uncore freq? If so its different to the 930's 2x+1,you can use a lower uncore feq,and you shouldn't need as much qpi/vtt voltage with a 960 chip
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    +1 to the above... Thanks wazza i forgot to mention that information.
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebmxer View Post
    Also you have to look at you are going from a 4 core cpu to a 6 core cpu that is a big difference in cpus. Also I believe the i7-930 is on the 45mn tech while the i7-960 is on the 32mn tech. This also should require less voltage but then again you added 2 more cores.
    Thanks for the info. I've already swapped the chips and installed the cooler, so I won't be able to reset the CMOS before the install. Will doing it now be just as good?

    If I'm not mistaken, the 960 is 4 core 45nm architecture, right?
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    You are fine. Just make sure you clear cmos now and start with clean slate.

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    Yes sorry i7-960 is a 4core 45mn. I was think of the i7-970 which is a 6core 32mn.

    So with a i7-960 uncore rule is 2x memory multi.

    i7-970,980x,990x uncore rule is 1.5x memory multi.
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    Awesome. Any other fundimental differences I should look at for processor and memory voltages? I used to be pretty familiar with all the relationships, but not so much anymore. I just need to get this thing running so I can get back to work.

    Thanks again for the help.
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    What qpi/vtt voltage and CPU voltage did you try with the 960? And what did you use for the 930? Each CPU will be different so its like starting from scratch,regarding voltages

    Also what did you want to clock to?
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    My QPI/VTT on the 930 was 1.235. I've tried a couple higher and lower on the 960 with no luck.

    Here are my last set of settings that worked on the 930 just fine.

    I'd like to be able to get to 4.32 if possible on the 960.



    X58A-UD5 i7 930 FINAL 3.76
    BIOS Ver F6i


    ***************************
    ADVANCED FREQUENCY SETTINGS

    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
    QPI Clock Ratio ................................ [x36]
    Uncore Clock Ratio ............................ [x16]

    >>>>>Standard Clock Control:<<<<<

    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................... [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) ........................ [ 188]
    Extreme Memory Profiler (X.M.P.)............. [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier .................... [8]

    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ................. [100]

    >>>>>Advanced Clock Control<<<<<

    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ..................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew .............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew .............................. [0ps]


    Advanced CPU Core Features:
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Disabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
    CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ........................... [Disabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]

    ***********************************
    ADVANCED MEMORY SETTINGS

    Advanced Memory Settings:
    Extreme Memory Profiler (X.M.P.)............. [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier..................... [8.0]
    Performance Enhance ......................... [Standard]
    DRAM Timing Selectable ................... [Expert]
    Channel Interleaving ..................... [Auto]
    Rank Interleaving .......................... [Auto]







    Channel A + B + C
    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time .......................... [6]
    tRCD .......................................[8]
    tRP ........................................[6]
    tRAS .......................................[24]

    ALL Advance Timing Control settings to [AUTO]
    (Command rate (CMD) [1]


    ***********************************

    ADVANCED VOLTAGE SETTINGS

    Advanced Voltage Settings:
    >>> CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................... Standard
    CPU Vcore ............................... [1.26250V]
    QPI/VTT Voltage (1.1750v) ............... [1.235V}
    CPU PLL 1.800v ........................ [1.800]

    >>> MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v .......................... [1.500V]
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................... [1.180V]
    IOH Core 1.100v .......................... [1.160V]
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................... [1.500V]
    ICH Core 1.100v .......................... [1.160V]

    >>> DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..................... [1.600V]
    DRAM Termination 0.750v.................. [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v .................. [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v .................. [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v .................. [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v ............... [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v ............... [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v ............... [AUTO]

    *****************************************
    MISCELLANEOUS SETTINGS

    Miscellaneous Settings:
    Isonchronous Support ..................[Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology .............[Disabled]
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    Default Re: Upgrade from i7 930 to 960 giving me fits on my X58A-UD5 Rev. 1. Have I lost my m

    What are you using to stress test? What is happening, are you getting a error, bsod?
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