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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Well I tried getting things stable at 3.5 and nothing would work ( tried adding a bit DVID-- would not help,QPI/VTT up to 1.35 ). No matter what I did, it would power off shortly after a restart. I don't like to overclock past the point of having to add CPU voltage so if it is required to stabilize this it would defeat the purpose for me, so, I guess I will just stay at the default clock, at least it will run cooler--ha !!!!
    Thanks again for all the help Lsdmeasap,

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Try not using DVID, I never use it and often see problems when people start trying to use it. Yes it works, and people use it, but I think it's much easier for users with stability issues to just manually set a voltage.

    You'd have to give me the exact full settings you are trying at 3.5 when it fails, then I could help and advise back. I'm sure it's just a setting or two that you are missing or setting wrong, there's a link in my signature for a template to give me the full settings you are trying that fail, copy that to your desktop them print it out and fill it in by hand with your failed settings. Then come back here and paste the template into a reply with your settings edited into it.

    CPU voltage increase shouldn't be needed for 3.5GHz, at least I wouldn't think so anyway, auto or manually setting stock should be ok. I'm not certain on that though, I've never tried to run 3.5 on any CPU for many years :)

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hey Lsdmeasap,
    Thanks for checking this stuff out, you are too kind. I could not find the CIA2 setting in my bios ( FF ). DVID is set to Normal--can't disable this, { only auto, normal or select voltages }
    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [21x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Auto]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Auto]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Auto]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
    Uncore Frequency .......................... 21 (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................160
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]---could not find this in my bios--FF

    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quickl] only options --auto,quick,expert

    Channel A + B + C

    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................9
    tRCD .......................................9
    tRP .........................................9
    tRAS .......................................24

    Below values may be left in Auto if you like, generally this is fine. For those users who DO Set advanced timings manually, please see some of my thoughts and findings about these settings and rules here
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    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control## ---
    tRC ........................................auto (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
    tRRD .......................................auto
    tWTR ......................................auto (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
    tWR ........................................auto
    tWTP .......................................auto (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
    tWL ........................................auto (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
    tRFC .......................................auto
    tRTP .......................................auto
    tFAW ......................................auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................auto

    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................auto

    B2B CAS Delay ..........................auto


    Advanced Voltage Control:

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Standard] can not disable ( only standard and two other profile choices )
    CPU Vcore ...............................1.27500V__Normal
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.185v ............1.295V
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................Auto

    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................auto
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................auto
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................auto
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................auto
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................auto

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.66
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    your settings look fine to me,did you load optimized defaults in the bios and re enter bios/oc settings? maybe set qpi/vtt to 1.315v,everything else looks ok
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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    How is the system not stable, are you getting BSOD? What are you doing to stress test?

    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Auto]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Auto]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Auto]
    Try setting c1e,c3/c6/c7, EIST to enable.
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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hey Wazza and Acbmxer,
    Thanks for the information. I have tried QPI/VTT up to 1.35 and it had no effect. I had tried c1/c3/c7 at enable and disable with no effect. EIST is enabled--sorry I did not show this. I was looking or CIA2 and could not find this, so I am not sure what this is set to. In regards to your question Acbmxer concerning what happens when I reboot, once I set the settings as listed it will boot to desk top. I can run things sometimes without any problem, however if I reboot without going from bios to desktop the pc will boot to desktop and then within a minute or so, shut down. When it shuts down, there are no beeps,no blue screens, no display driver warnings, it is as if you just power things off. Strange thing, there was no problem like this before I flashed the bios, everything ran very stable at the 3.5 clock. The only reason I thought to upgrade the bios was that my new Nvidia card (MSI GTX 560 Ti 2gb), had a driver issue with the newer Nvidia drivers,so many others did also, and everyone pretty much was saying it was a definite driver problem and just stay with the 275.33 drivers until they resolve this. A few others said the only reason the newer drivers were not working with so many is due to folks not updating there bios to the most recent stable edition or unstable overclocks. To rule out a bios issue I thought this would be a good time to learn how to flash a bios and that was my demise. I had to use @bios to go from my FA ( 1 mb) to the most recent stable FH bios which was 2mb. It all did fine, I use your tutorial to the tee--thanks again !!! However, since flashing the bios I was having these power shut downs even with optimized setting. Using the FF bios has at least allowed me to run things at stock settings but I am a bit disappointed not being able to get things back. It would be great to know what is causing this, I have thought that it may be memory related but why would it just start after updating bios? I even reflashed my old bios which I did save and the power off thing still happens. It is like a timing issue is off somehow. Everyone says that if there was a problem with the bios it would not even boot, do you all think maybe purchasing 8 gb of new ram would be an interesting test for this or would I be wasting money and time. I have been wondering if I should contact Gigabyte for a possible board, return, however I am at fault here and hate to add to an already messed up economy by folks abusing the system. Well, enough of this book I am writing--ha !!! I am all ears you all, you have been such good support and help as always--thanks so much --rclark ( forgot to mention--Acebmxer, I use Prime95 for stress testing )
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    i think whatever you did,checking cpu pins or memory or bios update disturbed something and thats giving you issues,esp seeing you had one memory stick missing in bios before and now its working,i would remove cmos battery,leave out overnight if you can to give it 100% chance of clearing it,then put in and load optimized defaults again in bios and re enter your old oc/bios settings then see if its any better if not maybe slight voltage tweak and then if still problems i dont know what it could be
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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Thanks Wazza, I'll give it a go and see what happens. --rclark--

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    I meant don't used DVID, IE set to disabled and manually set your own Vcore with LLC level 1 set.

    CIA2 is not in these boards, so that's why you aren't finding it.

    Try these and see if it works

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        Advanced CPU Features:
        CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [21x]
        Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]  << Disable, set 21 above, use 21 only (Some CPU's hate even multi's and with turbo enabled and 21 set you'd be using x22)
        CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
        CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
        CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Auto]  << Disable for now, enabled later if you want speedstep to function (CPU downclocks when idle)
        C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Auto] << Disable for now, enabled later if you want speedstep to function (CPU downclocks when idle)
        CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
        CPU EIST Function ............................ [Auto] << Disable for now, enabled later if you want speedstep to function (CPU downclocks when idle)
        Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
        Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]
    
        Uncore & QPI Features:
        QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
        Uncore Frequency .......................... 21 (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)  << Set 20 or 21 (21 may require more QPI/Vtt)
        Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]
    
    
        Standard Clock Control:
        Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
        BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................166
        PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]
    
        Advanced Clock Control:
        CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
        PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
        CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
        IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    
    
        Advanced DRAM Features:
        Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]  << Set Extreme
        Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
        System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10]
        DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quickl] only options --auto,quick,expert  << Choose Expert, then set each channels main timings one by one, don't forget a channel :)
    
        Channel A + B + C
    
        Channel A Timing Settings:
        ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
        CAS Latency Time ......................9
        tRCD .......................................9
        tRP .........................................9
        tRAS .......................................24
    
        ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control## ---
        tRC ........................................auto (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
        tRRD .......................................auto
        tWTR ......................................auto (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
        tWR ........................................auto
        tWTP .......................................auto (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
        tWL ........................................auto (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
        tRFC .......................................auto
        tRTP .......................................auto
        tFAW ......................................auto
        Command Rate (CMD) ................auto  << Set 1T
    
        ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
        Round Trip Latency ...................auto
        B2B CAS Delay ..........................auto
    
        Advanced Voltage Control:
        CPU
        Load Line Calibration ................. [Standard] can not disable ( only standard and two other profile choices ) Set Level 1
        CPU Vcore ...............................1.27500V__Normal   Set 1.275 or 1.275-1.35, might need a little bump depending on your CPU.   If you want to stay at stock value and try, manually set what you see as stock value.   
    If it continues to fail, raise to suggested just to see if leaving it at stock is what's causing the failure, then you can decide if you want to run 3.5 or not.   If you have to raise it you have to raise it, otherwise you'll need to 
    use a slower clock speed if you are set on leaving Vcore at stock.
    
        QPI/VTT Voltage 1.185v ............1.295V   << 1.15-1.35
        CPU PLL 1.800v .......................Auto  << 1.6-1.8
    
        MCH/ICH
        PCIE 1.500v ........................... 1.5
        QPI PLL 1.100v ....................... 1.2
        IOH Core 1.100v ..................... set 1.14-1.2
        ICH I/O 1.500v ....................... 1.5
        ICH Core 1.1v ........................ 1.1
    
        DRAM
        DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.66
        DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
        Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
        Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
        Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
        Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
        Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
        Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hey Wazza and Lsdmeasap,
    Wazza, I tried the clear cmos from last night per your directions, unfortunately made no difference. I will try the settings Lsdmeasap provided and see what happens. After this I really do not feel comfortable taking your time ( and forum space ) up on this, this was a problem I instigated and have learned a lot, so that is a good thing. Having a board in which I can only run my cpu at default values, ( well, if this is the worst of my problems, life is pretty good--ha !!! ) Another really good thing from this is having folks you really don't know well,who have reached out to help---a very cool thing indeed !!! I'll give those settings a try Lsdmeasap and see what happens, again to you all, a big thanks and I really am sorry this has dragged on this long--it is another Robby moment ( ie when I mess something up, I "Really" mess things up--- ha !!! ) take care--rclark ( quick update---pc had just powered off at default values now--so it appears to be random at any setting--could this be memory related--thanks)
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