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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hey Lsdmeasap and others,
    I was using your settings for the bios in half steps to try to figure out where the problem with instability might be ( if it can be corrected )--hope you don't take this as insubordination--ha !! Anyway the main things I wanted to switch first was to do with the advance voltage settings you recommended under " advance voltage control ",(changes in bold below). Well, so far I have done 5 restarts, all booted fine, ran prime 95 for 1/2 hour temps 70 68 71 67 ( these are a little higher than I have seen,could be I need to redo the line of MX4 on the H50, but I think they are ok for now ). I then shut the pc down for a while to do a cold start and all popped up fine, no power off. The power off I mentioned in the above post does have me a little baffled but we will see what happens with these settings. You know, I sure don't know much about this as you can tell, but I am wondering if the memory I am using is just a bit wobbly,ie it needs a bit more encouragement through the settings you recommended to run more stable, I guess time will tell. Again, to you all thanks so much, as for now I am legitimately back to 3.5 ghz ( amazingly encouraging ). --rclark--


    CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [21x]
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
    CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Enabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
    CPU EIST Function ............................ [Enabled]
    Virtualization Technology ................... [Enabled] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


    Uncore & QPI Features:
    QPI Link Speed .............................. x36
    Uncore Frequency .......................... 21 (Always 2x memory Multi or 2x +1)
    Isonchronous Frequency ..................[Enabled]


    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
    BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................160
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [100]

    C.I.A.2 [Disabled]---could not find this in my bios--FF

    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
    CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Performance Enhance ...................... [Standard]
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [Disabled]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10]
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Quickl] only options --auto,quick,expert

    Channel A + B + C

    Channel A Timing Settings:
    ##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
    CAS Latency Time ......................9
    tRCD .......................................9
    tRP .........................................9
    tRAS .......................................24

    Below values may be left in Auto if you like, generally this is fine. For those users who DO Set advanced timings manually, please see some of my thoughts and findings about these settings and rules here
    XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread

    ##Channel A Advanced Timing Control## ---
    tRC ........................................auto (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
    tRRD .......................................auto
    tWTR ......................................auto (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
    tWR ........................................auto
    tWTP .......................................auto (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
    tWL ........................................auto (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
    tRFC .......................................auto
    tRTP .......................................auto
    tFAW ......................................auto
    Command Rate (CMD) ................auto

    ##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
    Round Trip Latency ...................auto

    B2B CAS Delay ..........................auto


    Advanced Voltage Control:

    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Level 1] can not disable ( only standard and two other profile choices )
    CPU Vcore ...............................1.27500V__1.27500 ( set manually per recommendations )
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.185v ............1.295V
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.800
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.500
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.200
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.116
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.500
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................1.1

    DRAM
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............1.66
    DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hahaha, yesir, that is insubordination at it's finest!! J/K It's fine to do it however you want, as long as you eventually get to your intended destination!

    Use expert on the memory, set each channel one at a time and don't forget any. I suggest this because I don't trust that auto sets the RTL's separately when using quick, and they all need to be different. It might, I've just never checked and thought quick was for the lazy :)


    CPU
    Load Line Calibration ................. [Level 1] can not disable ( only standard and two other profile choices )
    CPU Vcore ...............................1.27500V__1.27500 ( set manually per recommendations )
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.185v ............1.295V
    CPU PLL 1.800v .......................1.800
    MCH/ICH
    PCIE 1.500v ...........................1.500
    QPI PLL 1.100v .......................1.200
    IOH Core 1.100v .....................1.116
    ICH I/O 1.500v .......................1.500
    ICH Core 1.1v ........................1.1

    ^^ All looks good, you can use Auto for LLC or I suggest Level 1 ^^

    What BSOD's are you getting when you try things that fail?

    0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
    0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
    0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage
    0X00000109 << Not enough or too Much memory voltage

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hey Lsdmeasap, I will surely and go change these as advised, your advice has been right on. I understand your thinking with things on auto--I don't trust auto much in any application--ha!!!
    In setting the memory timings manually,is this inclusive to the Channel Advanced Timing Control also, ie--trc,twTR,twTP,twL ? I willl be sure to change Command Rate from "Auto" to 1. It
    was sort of unclear in my link above but I do have the LLC at "Level 1". In regards to any type of blue screens for error messages, well, there are no blue screens or anything--it just powers
    off as if it was turned off or unplugged. It has not done this so far ( knock on wood ),with these settings. I am so glad to get this back up to 3.5 (stable). Could not have done so without your
    help and advice, again thanks Lsdmeasap and the others for so much of your time with this, --rclark--

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    it could have been setting all timings for 3 dimms as apposed to quick that helped,i should have suggested this to you aswell,advanced timings should run fine on auto,only set the 9-9-9-24 and command rate to 1t
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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Will do Wazza--- thanks so much !
    --rclark--

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    You can leave all the advanced timings on auto, they'll be fine, just set your main and cmd rate for each channel and that should be plenty.

    So, when you try these settings you say it powers off. Is this while in windows, or before you can even get there? if it's in windows, try to get in there as fast as you can and run LinX or OCCT and see what BSOD you get, if any.

    What RTL is showing for each channel with these settings, after you save/apply/reboot back to the BIOS?

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    Hey Lsdmeasap,
    Here is the info you asked for, ( RTL for Channel A--64, Channel B--67, Channel C--67 )
    I don't won't to jinx things here, but I am glad to report that I have had no power off's with these settings. All settings in bios are per your recommendations as of yesterday afternoon ( Sunday 2/5 ) !! I hate to admit that I found that somehow my power settings in system had been changed somehow to put computer to sleep (20 min's if idle )--good grief !!! I reset setting for monitor and pc to never be put to beddy bye--don't know how this happened.( man am I sorry about not catching this !!! ) This was probably the thing that caused the pc to power down a while back ( before these settings when everything was just set to optimal settings ). I guess I have restarted this thing about 8 times from yesterday afternoon to check stability during boot up and all has gone really well. Also ,no shut downs while pc was on except for sleep mode thing mentioned which I changed--this did scare the heck out of me --ha !!! I did go back through and reinstall my old Nvidia driver ( very clean install that is ) , to make sure nothing was corrupt there--- That is about it,, kinda boring -huhhh !! --ha !!!
    I'll let you know if anything funky happens ,I believe you remedied the situation. I guess my question is ,did I do something wrong in a bios flash or is this something that can happen after a bios flash,ie, settings you used before will not necessarily work again. I tend to think with all the manual voltage settings and tweaks you recommended will make this even more solid running. Well listen, I owe you and the rest a big thank-you--- THANK-YOU Lsdmeasap and ALL-- see ya around the forum for sure---rclark
    Man, I forgot to ask one other thing, one of these days when this Newegg.com - Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 12GB &#40;3 x 4GB&#41; 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 &#40;PC3 12800&#41; Desktop Memory Model 998776 goes on sale, I may upgrade to this memory. Do I keep all the voltage settings as per your recommendations, I know I may up the qpi/vtt a bit but that other stuff I am not sure of--- thanks again --rclark
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    If you find RTL's that work for you in auto, you can manually set them and they should work as well. Lower is better on those, but you have to lower them in a certain manner but you can tweak that dead last if you want, after you get everything else stable and where you wanted.

    Nice to hear it's stable again! Is that with an overclock? Windows power plan resetting isn't BIOS related, not sure how that would happen to you? Be sure you also set CPU Min/Max to 100%, if you are not using EIST that is.

    And yes, old BIOS settings will not always work with new BIOSes, it's always best to start over again like day one, tweak from nothing until you get stable. As for your memory, yes you'd keep memory voltage at 1.66, but you might need to tinker with QPI/Vtt again (More or less). If you are memory overclocking, keep in mind 4GB modules don't overclock nearly as well as 2GB ones, but if you just run them at stock nothing to worry about They are on sale now @ $69

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    Default Re: first bios update on X-58 ud3-r rev.2 ( question)

    Hey Lsdmeasap,
    Oh,I may have forgot to say that the best part is that all appears stable at the 3.5 overclock---whew !!! A little extra time before needing to upgrade--- -- Thanks for the recommendations on RTL, at this point I'll leave them on auto--I am afraid to tinker with anything anymore, I get the willies just going into the bios anymore--ha !!! I tend to think the power setting got reset during one of the many shut downs and reboots where window searched for a problem in a couple of the reboots ( who knows ?) Again, I really can't thank you enough for such great help and advice !!
    --rclark--

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    Nice to see your overclock is stable for you now! And thanks for the kind words, we're always happy to help!

    You can always save your current settings in the BIOS to a profile, then you can tinker around with higher overclocks or tweak other settings, and still have the stable ones to go back to anytime you need. Use F11 on the MAIN page of the BIOS to save profiles, and F12 to load.

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