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    Default Re: problem with cold start Gigabyte UD3R V2

    Well, as long as I have used Newegg I really never have used the power search to this degree---thanks for bringing this to my attention Projim. I saw the Rosewell and the only thing I am concerned about is it is on a split 12v rail. I have read that it is best to stay with single rail , ( I would think as long as each rail meets the reguired wattage what difference it makes,) I really have not researched this too much but will now !!! Got to go change serpentine belt and plugs in wifes car---fun-fun. No rest for the weary.---ha !!! Tweaktowns is going to ban me for not staying on subject matter---ha !!!
    Oh, man why did you have to bring up those power protecters-----ha !!!!!
    hope you have a great day,talk with you soon for sure, thanks again-----rclark

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    Newegg.com - Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-750 750W Continuous @ 50C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92, SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active - PFC Power Supply
    This looks like a decent deal I wish I had grabbed it earlier for @ 90 dollars-- oh well !! The write up at JohnnyGuru was very positive , I believe I may get it. Never have used Rosewell before so this will be
    interesting. I was wrong about the single rail ---this one has it--
    Oh I used the extreme power calculator, it estimates a @618 watt unit for my set up. Even 750 may be overkill, thats ok though.
    cheers--- rclark

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    Thanks Wazza, yep I was thinking about these as well, I'm going insane---- ha !!!!! Seriously, it may be worth a tad more to go up to a gold certified model for me just because of the issues I evidently have been having with this rather basic model power supply. I am thinking I have been having power hickups all along that have caused issues from the very beginning. Really drives the point home how important a top notch power supply is for a build. ( I am not faulting the company for the original supply boinking out---it happens to the best of them ) XFX and Rosewell are both really well regarded in the reviews I read from Profjim's link ( JohnnyGuru, HardOCP ). Thanks so much for the recommendation,
    take care---rclark

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    Using a good quality, 80Plus bronze rated psu should be OK in most circumstances. A more efficient silver or gold rated psu, will have somewhat higher quality components, and voltage regulation should be somewhat better. I look at the psu as the foundation of my system and I don't want to cut corners here. If the electrical service to your home isn't clean and dependable, even the best psu will have "issues". This is where the line conditioning and AVR (automatic voltage regulation) of a mid priced UPS can help tremendously. An added benefit is the built in surge protection for your computer equipment. I often wonder how many random computer problems are related to a cheapy power supply or sub-standard electrical service.

    Make sure that you are OK with a psu that doesn't have a full modular or semi-modular cable setup. Cable management is a royal PITA with unneeded power cables permanently attached to the power supply.

    The Rosewill Capstone psu is made by Superflower and has excellent build quality and ratings. I first became aware of Superflower about two years ago and every psu based on their products has been top tier! I believe that current Kingwin power supplies are made by Superflower. My preference is for Seasonic or made by Seasonic power supplies. My Antec TP-750 psu is made by Seasonic and has four 12-volt rails. The review sites that I listed provide a breakdown on how the cables are connected to which rail and if the setup is good or bad. I think that the over current protection (OCP) is set to 40 amps for each 12 volt rail and the TP-750 has no problem with "trapped" electrical power.

    In the past month, Newegg was briefly selling the Seasonic x-750 for $100 and the x-650 for $90. I bought my TP-750 for $70 during the holiday sales season two years ago. Good things come to those who wait.

    PSUs Reviews | TechPowerUp Review Database
    is a good source for quickly finding power supply reviews from around the web.

    If there is only a $10 - $20 price difference between similar 650 and 750 watt power supplies, I would go with the 750 watt psu. A psu is usually most efficient when it is delivering ~ 40% - 60% of it's rated capacity. Your psu should have a long and happy life as long as you don't run it above 80% of its capacity for extended periods, such as when gaming or folding.

    The XFX 650 and 750 psu's look good, if you can wait a bit, you should be able to buy an even better psu for about the same price.

    BTW, there can be a major gotcha when your UPS has a modified-step sine wave output with some or many active PFC power supplies.
    Both of my Seasonic made power supplies have no trouble with either of my ~ $80 UPS units when there is a power interruption.
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    Thanks Profjim, man this is such great info. I am definitely going with a 750, I am going to keep looking/waiting --the Rosewell really shines at JohnnyGuru, hmmmm .... Very interesting info on power supplies and how they can be affected by sine waves. I was affected by sine and cosine waves ( as well ) in math---ha !!!
    many thanks !!! rclark
    EDIT--- just saw this one on sale----Amazon.com: Rosewill CAPSTONE Series 750W 80 Plus Gold Certified ATX12V/EPS12V Power Supply CAPSTONE-750: Electronics getting an itchy finger,
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    There is also a Rosewill Capstone 750-M fully modular version.
    Rosewill Capstone Modular 750 W Review | techPowerUp
    Decisions, decisions, decisions
    Hey, it's only money.

    **edit**
    Here's a list of Newegg 650w - 750w 80Plus gold rated power supplies:
    Newegg Power Supplies -- 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, 650W - 750W
    Any price changes will be shown each time you use the link.
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    Good grief this has been amazing learning experience. I really do appreciate so much great information on all this Profjim. I found the Rosewell Capstone 750 Gold (** MODULAR**) for $103 at Amazon. One was left, I grabbed it. I was very close to getting the Seasonic X750 modular for 25 dollars more,however we are really on a tight budget as you can tell from all my fixit (chores,ie--wish I could afford to take our car in for maintenance )---ha !!! Again, the "you get what you pay for" thing,is definitely haunting me. Well I guess we will see how things go in about a week. Corsair was very prompt in initiating the RMA for my old unit,that was nice !!
    take care and thanks for all those links, Santa will be noting all these nice things I am sure ---rclark---

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    $103 for the modular Capstone is excellent.
    From the reviews at JonnyGuru and TechPowerUp, the Rosewill Capstone 750-M (made by Superflower) is the equal of the Seasonic X750.

    The first thing I do with a brand new psu is to do the paperclip test and let the power supply run for 10 minutes before I connect the psu to my system.
    To perform this test, you use the paperclip to connect the light green wire (Power Good) with a black wire (Com or Ground) on the 24-pin main psu power cable.
    A web search using: power supply paperclip test will provide additional information and information links.
    If you want, you can connect several fans using a 4-pin molex adaptor to put a small electrical load on the power supply.
    Glad to hear that setting up the RMA with Corsair was easy.

    BTW, the learning never ends.




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    Thanks Profjim, The old paper clip test---very familiar with this. Matter of fact, still sort of apprehensive with the purchase in that after taking out the Corsair unit, I did the paper clip test to it with 1 (120mm ) fan hooked up and it ran flawlessly for a power supply with only one fan hooked up to it (that is ). Isn't it going to be fun if the pc still does the same after this---- my wife will "KILL ME"--ha !!!! I will stand optimistic though, you know how things will creep into your conciousness in dealing with this stuff. I mean there is still a chance it could be some weird short with the motherboard, but at least we will know it is not the power supply. That is a great idea to test the new power supply before installing, makes good sense, will definitely do this. Great pictures showing the detail of these plugs and their voltages for each. More learning---No !!!! ---ha !!!!
    take care and thanks again !!!! ---rclark----

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