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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    Vinster
    It's never too late ;)

    No, my videocard is factory overclocked, i don't use anything additional like Afterburner, you can see my full PC specs in profile.

    It looks like this (video was shoted some time ago when i was pushing my system to the maximum, now it's a bit better, but still):
    GTA IV - YouTube
    Check 00:16 - 00:17 moment, it's very illustrative, object have appeared right in my face :(
    And this is much more noticeable when you're actually playing, then on video, of coure...

    I was thinking of 3 main possible cause:
    1) After overclock something goes off with videocard (undervoltage, but where?), probably PCI-E lanes? If i'm correct, data is transfered from RAM to video card through northbridge and then goes to PCI-E?
    2) Hard drive maybe? I got pretty powerfull SATA II, 10000rpm WD for the system, it outperforms all of my other harddrives easily...But since i got 4 hard drives, and 2 usb devices (midi controllers for music, which is powering from USB), this why i thought maybe i need extra voltage on southbridge? I've added a bit to ICH Core, now it's 1.14 V, haven't helped too much.
    3) I'm just thinking of maybe i need to raise DRAM termination's and vrefs voltages 1-2 nothces more than DRAM / 2 value, won't it improve stability of memory? Maybe it's just a bit undervoltage in there?
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    I see that as more of a software bug over hardware.

    ya the shed appeared but then you couldn't blow up the car with a rocket when the car was there.

    that game is DX9, I'd try an older driver to see if it still does it. you can get 266.77 from gigabit's site under drivers for your card; GIGABYTE - Graphics Card - NVIDIA - PCI Express Solution - GeForce 500 Series - GV-N580UD-15I (rev. 1.0)

    I'd try that before playing with any hardware adjustments.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    ya the shed appeared but then you couldn't blow up the car with a rocket when the car was there.
    Now that's typical GTA IV bug, it's not a problem, but when objects appears - it's not typical at all, believe me, i have played it not on single system :)
    And yeah, that was what i thinking first - driver, i was trying every driver from oldest my card can eat, to newest (include beta), i have tryed completly fresh install, nex direct x etc etc.
    Oh yeah, i have even changed 3 completely different GTX580 cards, thought it was card itself - but no. So it's kinda related to something else.

    I think it's related somehow to os, coz sometimes it is much better, sometimes it is like on video, but i don't understand what exactly make it better..I could see a little bit of improvements when upping PCI-E voltage 1-2 notch, but it's not complete...

    So, speaking of direct question, what exactly feeds videocard data stream in bios?

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    ok, i would had pinned it to a driver or Physx issue, if you have already tried rebuilding the OS and also different drivers from new to old... I'm not sure what else to try.

    and I'm sure you already applied all the patches for the game and are also possibly running it in compatibility mode?

    what other games to you have this issue with or is it just this game?

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    Vinster
    Every game, except those who doesn't have dynamic LevelOfDetail system at all (like Hard reset for example, it loads whole level at once, everything).
    Yes, of course i've tried patches and different graphical settings, it's not the cause.

    What i think - not enough voltage somewhere, and i got reason for this, sometime when i had set PCI-E voltage few notches up - it have become a LOT better, but i was just afraid to go on, because i don't understand how exactly feeding of data to videocard goes, or what videocard related voltages exactly do, that's why i'm here.

    P.S. I got pretty weird problem, now i'm on default 133 mHz BLCK, CPU Vcore 1.35 V, QPI/VTT 1.395 V (also tried 1.415 V), x14 memory = just 1862 mHz, default timings manually, uncore set to x24 = 3192.
    OCCT low data rate / Linpack -12 hours no BSOD, BUT...When i use OCCT large data rate i got errors in 5 minutes O_O
    What to try? What exactly this error could mean? (except some kind of low-level instability, i mean what exactly could it mean in terms of my BIOS settings)
    My settings now is so basic, almost deafult...Something is off clearly.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    Have you verified that the CPU is properly seated and that all the pins in the CPU socket are intact? and have you re-run Memtestx86 to confirm that your memory isn't causing any issues in the high end of the memory map?

    OCCT errors during Large Data Rates leads me to look at that.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    Have you verified that the CPU is properly seated and that all the pins in the CPU socket are intact?
    Double checked. everything is fine here, same with memory, seats perfectly.
    and have you re-run Memtestx86 to confirm that your memory isn't causing any issues in the high end of the memory map?
    Few days ago i've done memtest - everything was fine.

    P.S. Why ET6 still shows that dram termination and vrefs are 0.75 V, but they're actually not?
    Maybe my system still forces somehow 0.75 V even after i apply 0.83 V through bios?
    Or is it just another stupid bug from ET6 utility? :D

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    I never used ET6, it was way too buggy for me on my AMD 790, 890 and also x58 boards, I just stayed away from it.

    I always used other tools, but for voltage monitoring, if it wasn't in HWMonitor, I didn't need it in windows personally.

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    Well then i ran out of ideas :(
    Any help further help would be appreciated...

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    Default Re: GA-X58A-UD7 rev 2 memory / uncore OC stability trouble.

    In my case: this is utterly minimum BIOS voltages for default setting and memory x14, that can pass OCCT with large data rate 12 hours without error:
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    Advanced CPU Features:
    CPU Clock Ratio....................................[24]  (3.192 GHz)
    Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech....................[disabled]
    CPU Cores Enabled...............................[All]
    CPU Multi Threading............................[enabled]
    CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E).....................[disabled]
    C3/C6/C7 State Support.......................[disabled]
    CPU Thermal Monitor..........................[disabled]
    CPU EIST Function................................[enabled]
    Bi-Directional PROCHOT......................[enabled]
    
    QPI Clock Ratio....................................[x36]  (4.788 GHz)
    Uncore Clock Ratio…………………………….[x21] (2793 MHz)
    Isonchronous Support……………………….[enabled]
    Virtualization Technology………………….[enabled]
    
    Standard Clock Control:
    Base Clock (BCLK) Control………………….[133 MHz]
    PCI Express Frequency (MHz)…………...[100 MHz]
    
    Advanced Clock Control:
    CPU Clock Drive………………………………….[800 mV]
    PCI Express Clock Drive………………………[900 mV]
    CPU Clock Skew……………………………….…[0ps]
    IOH Clock Skew………………………………….[0ps]
    
    Advanced DRAM Features:
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P)……….[disabled]
    Performance Enhance………………………..[standard]
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD)……….[14]  (1862 MHz)
    DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD)…………..[expert]
    
    Channel A / B /C Timing Settings:
    CAS Latency Time……………………………….[8]
    tRCD……………………………………………………[9]
    tRP……………………………………………………..[8]
    tRAS…………………………………..................[24]
    CR……………………………………………………….[2]
    
    Advanced Voltage Control:
    Load Line Calibration………………………….[standard]
    CPU Vcore………………………………………….[1.33125v]
    QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v……………………..[1.395v]
    CPU PLL 1.800v…………………………………..[1.800v]
    PCIE 1.500v…………………………………………[1.500v]
    QPI PLL 1.100v……………………………………[1.100v]
    IOH Core 1.100v…………………………….……[1.100v]
    ICH I/O 1.500v…………………………………….[1.500v]
    ICH Core 1.1v……………………………………..[1.100v]
    
    DRAM Voltage 1.500v……………………..…[1.660v]
    DRAM Termination 0.750v…………………[0.830v]
    Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v………………………[0.830v]
    Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v………………………[0.830v]
    Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v………………………[0.830v]
    Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v………………..[0.830v]
    Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v………………..[0.830v]
    Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v………………..[0.830v]
    Extremely hard QPI/VTT for default x21 uncore...
    I'm kind of disappointed.

    I also tested that same CPU Vcore is enough for BCLK 143mHz, to pass 12 hours (with x12 mem multiplier, to exclude memory)
    But when i try same default settings for 133mHz BCLK that are listed above, with the only difference that i set uncore (just!!!) to x22 - i got OCCT large data rate error with QPI/VTT 1.395V, with 1.415 V and even with next notch up also...

    Maybe when uncore is set to higher than x21 i also need to add vcore?
    I would still like to go at least for x24-x26 stable uncore.

    Please, any advices?
    Last edited by failure13; 12-24-2012 at 08:10 PM.

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