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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    Since we have practically the same board
    Im not doing anything much to it atm as I have no decent gx card but

    775 quads and duals at hi fsb on ep-45 ud3

    On the memory.. as above 4 sticks of 2 matched pairs may need more voltages.. in general than a single pair,especially if the sets are now mixed up ..or not.

    My ddr2 mem xmp 4-4-4-12 at 800,1.8-1.9v was/is stable at up to 900mhz(450 fsb) on a 2.00D with 2.00 v,450-500 fsb needed 5-5-5-15 timings and 2.1+ at the hi end.
    Mixing in some generic 667mhz samsung ram for a 8gb total,I was able to get 800mhz ok with 5-5-5-15 on all sticks.

    An extreme example of mismatched pairs but yours in a much smaller difference may need a lil tweaking.

    pci you could leave on auto but I used 100 and that was the general recommended ,when the board was popular.
    xmp..I never bothered with much after awhile ,but if you are running at that exact speed or v close to it, it should work well and do the minor timings(It didnt set the voltage ideally for me automatically on the board..maybe just my memory.

    no ex mem protect.. I think I had enabled all the time altho I think its some kind of low level anti virus (could be wrong) that you only need to have on if its like a server role.
    I dont kno if it makes any difference onor off.

    nb some of the voltages etc above may seem a bit extreme if your not pushing the rig,but didnt do any harm over a long period.
    2.3 is where the memory voltage goes red,I think? so if 2.1 is needed on 2 sticks 2.2 shouldnt do any harm if the cooling is ok.
    mch v1.28 I seem to remember being used a lot for memory compatibility problems..I used a bit more, but havea mch xigmatec cooler which gives a few degrees lower than the gigabyte one for the same voltage.


    Oh yeh easytune..when I was "tuning" my board.I found it sucked badly and it took me a long time to get it removed completely from windows.That was just my own personal experience.
    Last edited by kick; 01-20-2013 at 06:09 AM.
    Current Systems:

    Asrock p67 Extreme6.............. Gigabyte EP-45 UD3 ...................... Gigabyte 73 PVM S2
    Intel i5 2500k 4.8ghz................ Intel Q8400 3.8ghz......................... Intel D820 2.8ghz
    Zalman 10x cooler.................... Coolermaster V8............................ HP cooler
    8GB Gskill ripjaw ddr3.............. 4GB Gskill PI ddr2.......................... 4GB samsung ddr2
    60GB ssd/500GB HDD .............. WD 1TB hdd.................................... Seagate 160GB hdd
    GTX 460 1GB x2 SLI ................. Msi 9600GT 512MB(died) ........... Onboard gx
    Win7 64 ,750w psu(ocz)............ Win7 64 ,520w psu,seasonic...... Win XP pro ,400w psu

    HEC 6A34 case . ....................... Jeantec R2 case............................ Packard Bell case

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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    Hi, Kick - thanks for chiming in; always helps to have some more insight. I ran 5 passes of memtest on this setup last night with no errors (2.0 v on the ram).

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I have a Xigmatek cooler also & 4 Case Fans: 1-140mm Yate Loon D14SL, 3-120mm Yate Loon D12SL-12 - temps have always been real low (even when I had a mild OC on this board).

    "2.3 is where the memory voltage goes red,I think? so if 2.1 is needed on 2 sticks 2.2" Actually, mine goes red at 2.1 but I had been running that since day 1 for the Patriot PDC22G6400LLK - that was the spec for this memory.

    Now, adding the Patriot PDC24G6400ELK with 2.0v spec - I would think I should be setting this at 2.2v (spec for the original ram plus 0.1 for 8 gb).

    I'm fine with running 5-5-5-12. MCH - I'll just leave stock for now.

    But first, I want to see if I get another BSOD since I changed the page file setting.
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    Gigabyte EP45-UD3R ver 1.1 - Bios ver 12
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    I meant one of these things.edit: amazon link seems broken..pic here Xigmatek Porter N881 HDT aufs P35-DS3 , still on since I have nothing else to put it on :)

    Oh an angled fan blowing on the memory and mch seemed to help a lot,but maybe it was just cooling the board too!
    2.1 is red then .. purple starts at 2.0 probly ..yes Im too lazy to go fire up the pc n check :)

    On the pagefile thing.where is your system reserved file..I see you have multiboot . the format Im not sure but where is the sys reserved file on the Win 7 installation?
    Mines on the ssd (asrock system)

    How do you find the 4650.. im checking ,just in generalfor a new gx card since I accidentally fried my 9600 gt.EP45-UD3R - random bsod's  with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?-4disk-jpg
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    Current Systems:

    Asrock p67 Extreme6.............. Gigabyte EP-45 UD3 ...................... Gigabyte 73 PVM S2
    Intel i5 2500k 4.8ghz................ Intel Q8400 3.8ghz......................... Intel D820 2.8ghz
    Zalman 10x cooler.................... Coolermaster V8............................ HP cooler
    8GB Gskill ripjaw ddr3.............. 4GB Gskill PI ddr2.......................... 4GB samsung ddr2
    60GB ssd/500GB HDD .............. WD 1TB hdd.................................... Seagate 160GB hdd
    GTX 460 1GB x2 SLI ................. Msi 9600GT 512MB(died) ........... Onboard gx
    Win7 64 ,750w psu(ocz)............ Win7 64 ,520w psu,seasonic...... Win XP pro ,400w psu

    HEC 6A34 case . ....................... Jeantec R2 case............................ Packard Bell case

    hoping to upgrade to http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/habicase.shtml
    http://www.flixya.com/video/140325/Animal-launching

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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    Wow - all the time on this mbo and I never realized there was purple and red on that voltage (of course my memory could be failing). So, red starts at 2.3 on this board.

    Your link doesn't work on the Xigmatek but now I know what you're talking about - but I've never had a problem with the ram - I never pushed it that far. Even after running some intensive memory apps, both of these were, at most, just barely warm to the touch.

    I've never had a problem with 4650 (but I don't game). The 4670 would have been even better but I didn't need it. (curious how graphic cards have not dropped in price over the years like other components - I paid $50 for mine in 2009 (512 mb of ddr2) and today they are $100 (with 1 gb & DDR3). i like this site for video card ranking Graphic card ranking 2012.

    My system reserved file is on the SSD c: drive with win 7 - it doesn't show on the mgt console (unless there's a way to unhide it).
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    Quote Originally Posted by rudhawk View Post
    (of course my memory could be failing).
    My vote for pun of the month award! :)

    Dunno on the hide/unhide..your'e good for plenty of partitions tho.and the gx card link is usefull !
    Current Systems:

    Asrock p67 Extreme6.............. Gigabyte EP-45 UD3 ...................... Gigabyte 73 PVM S2
    Intel i5 2500k 4.8ghz................ Intel Q8400 3.8ghz......................... Intel D820 2.8ghz
    Zalman 10x cooler.................... Coolermaster V8............................ HP cooler
    8GB Gskill ripjaw ddr3.............. 4GB Gskill PI ddr2.......................... 4GB samsung ddr2
    60GB ssd/500GB HDD .............. WD 1TB hdd.................................... Seagate 160GB hdd
    GTX 460 1GB x2 SLI ................. Msi 9600GT 512MB(died) ........... Onboard gx
    Win7 64 ,750w psu(ocz)............ Win7 64 ,520w psu,seasonic...... Win XP pro ,400w psu

    HEC 6A34 case . ....................... Jeantec R2 case............................ Packard Bell case

    hoping to upgrade to http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/habicase.shtml
    http://www.flixya.com/video/140325/Animal-launching

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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    • Click on Memset's >> option when you are using 4 memory modules so that the settings for both channels are displayed.
    • PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ---------- : [Auto] <--- Set to 100, never leave this on Auto
    • Performance Enhance ------------------ : [Turbo] <--- this might cause a problem because both of your memory kits are not identical
      Setting this to Standard will require to manually set some memory timings.
    • MCH Core -------------- 1.100V ------- : [Normal] <--- with 4 x 2GB, this probably needs to be set to 1.16 - 1.24 volts or higher, with 800MHz memory speeds
    • DRAM Voltage ---------- 1.800V ------- : [2.00] <--- with 4 x 2GB, try 2.04 - 2.10 volts or higher with 8GB of memory

    Post your full bios settings in a post. Using the advanced editing screen, paste your full bios settings, select all of the bios settings and then press the CODE option (#) to create a scrollable window for your bios settings.

    Make sure that EasyTune6 does not automatically start when you boot into Windows.
    It's best not to have ET6 running while you are testing your system.
    When you close ET6, make sure that it is not still running in the Windows task bar.

    We still don't know which memory modules are in which memory slots.
    Are they in the same memory slots as in the post #4 screen-shot?
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    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
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    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    well I had to put this problem on hold temporarily. I'm trying to sort out my BSOD's on my Win 7 clean install on this new SSD. I've been working with a minidump reading expert and I've gone back to two sticks of ram until I get this system stable. I wanted to rule out any potential conflict caused by running mismatched ram.

    I thought I had it fixed and tried to run memset again and it caused a crash. It may have something to do with moving my User Account folder to another drive? What is the proper method to Install/run memset? Maybe my copy is just corrupt?
    Gigabyte EP45-UD3R ver 1.1 - Bios ver 12
    Win 7 & XP PRO - multiboot
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    The downloaded MemSet v4.1 zip file has a single folder called MemSet.
    Extract this folder to any partition, such as D:\MemSet or E:\Programs\Memset
    I don't recall if win7 will protest if you try to unzip this folder to your boot partition.
    There is a file called MemSet.exe in this unzipped folder.
    You can right click on this exe file to drag and create a shortcut for the program on your desktop or within any other folder.
    To start MemSet, simply double click on the shortcut.

    I have never used MemSet to change any of the displayed values, I only use it to save a screen image of the current memory settings.

    Part of your problem with 8GB is probably the slight differences between your two memory kits.
    With your current AUTO memory settings, the bios might be using slightly different pre-programed AUTO memory settings for each kit.
    The MemSet display will show which settings have been applied for memory channels A and B.

    Getting 4 x 2GB memory modules stable is often more difficult than getting 2 x 2GB stable.
    Mixing 4 modules that are not identical sometimes won't work at all.
    Buying 2 kits of identical 2 x 2GB memory does not guarantee that everything will go smoothly.
    Some manufacturer web sites state that rated memory speeds are only for a single 2 x 2GB kit.

    When I bought 4 x 2GB of my HyperX 1066MHz memory (2 kits), I had no problem setting the memory to faster than the 4-4-4-12 timings at 800MHz.
    My stable settings are 4-4-4-10 at 876MHz.

    In some cases with 8GB of DDR2 memory, the memory needs to be slightly under-clocked from the rated timings.
    Real world performance is virtually identical when running at 800MHz with 4-4-4-12 timings compared with 1066MHz speeds using 5-5-5-15 timings.
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    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
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    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
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    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    I use 7-zip to test the zip file integrity of all downloaded zip files.
    If there is any corruption in the zip file, all unzipping programs should report the error while they are unzipping the zip file.

    If your ssd is 128GB or larger, you should have plenty of room on your ssd.
    I originally had a 60GB ssd and I moved several things off of the ssd to my hdd.
    I left my user accounts on the ssd.
    It took me about 2 years to fill my 60GB ssd to 90% capacity and it would occasionally bog down for short periods.
    My newest 128GB ssd is much better.

    Check out http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...-capacity.html for detailed information about my 60GB ssd install with win7.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: EP45-UD3R - random bsod's with 8 gb Patriot DDR2 - bios settings?

    yeah- it wasn't the memset file - I just ran it on my other rig and it works fine. It's probably something to do with the win 7 install. When I ran it, I got an error message saying the WinRing0.sys was missing (but it's right in the memset folder!!!). I'm not sure what's going on cause I ran it from that rig on Saturday and all was fine.

    The reason I moved account folders was to save the read/writes and also because I've got my partitions on another HDD with all my docs, pics, music & progs. I thought it would be easier that way so if the OS ever crashed, my data would still be there. I have a script which runs and back those directories up on a daily basis.
    Gigabyte EP45-UD3R ver 1.1 - Bios ver 12
    Win 7 & XP PRO - multiboot
    Intel 520 series SSD
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