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    Default Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

    Quote Originally Posted by stasio View Post
    This coming days,more product like this will apear,for sure.
    Will keep my eyes peeled :) the "hammer" delidding makes it more appealing, I was always worried about the blade after bricking a trusty i920...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrT0ad View Post
    Will keep my eyes peeled :) the "hammer" delidding makes it more appealing, I was always worried about the blade after bricking a trusty i920...
    Funny that you should mention that.
    I just finished viewing a hammer de-lidding video at [How To] Delid your Ivy Bridge CPU with out a Razor Blade!.
    I think that it would be safer and easier if the wooden block was hardwood and not the less expensive softwood. But....the softwood approach will absorb more of the shock.

    I wonder what the success rate is with the hammer/wood technique versus using a knife or razor blade.
    I already have a dead blow hammer so that is what I would use. Dead blow hammer - Wikipedia
    I really don't want to FUBAR a brand new $350 cpu.

    Other observations:
    Some of the z87 mobos are using Marvell or ASMedia sata3 and usb 3.0 configurations.
    The mobo that I buy must have at least 4 native Intel sata3 and usb 3.0 ports.
    An older PCI slot for my HT Omega audio card would be nice, but I must be able to install my SLI video cards. ASRock Extreme6 z87?
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    I think they are all sata3 speed ports now,no sata2 ports anymore

    not sure howmany are intel/marvell though
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    Quote Originally Posted by wazza300 View Post
    I think they are all sata3 speed ports now,no sata2 ports anymore

    not sure howmany are intel/marvell though
    The keyword is native Intel.
    I don't want to deal with UDF poop from non-Intel sata and usb controllers.
    Ideally there will be 6 native Intel sata3 and 6 native Intel usb 3.0 ports.
    If there are even more available ports, I don't care if the remaining ports use non-Intel controllers.

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    Default Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

    Here is an example of "mongrel" controller information from the GA-Z87X-UD5H rev 1.0 user manual:
    (One pleasant surprise, there weren't any cautionary notes or footnotes stating that if you enable item A, item B is disabled. This is a welcome improvement compared with P55 to Ivy Bridge systems.)

    -- from page 11 --

    Storage Interface Chipset:

    - 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors (SATA3 0~5) supporting up to 6 SATA 6Gb/s devices
    - Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, and RAID 10

    MarvellŪ 88SE9230 chip:
    - 4 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors (GSATA3 6~9) supporting up to 4 SATA 6Gb/s devices
    - Support for RAID 0, RAID 1, and RAID 10

    USB Chipset:


    - Up to 2 USB 3.0/2.0 ports (available through the internal USB header)
    - Up to 4 USB 2.0/1.1 ports (available through the internal USB headers)

    Chipset + 2 RenesasŪ uPD720210 USB 3.0 Hubs:
    - Up to 8 USB 3.0/2.0 ports (6 ports on the back panel, 2 ports available through the internal USB header)

    -- from page 8 --
    Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?-ga-z87x-ud5h-motherboard-block-diagram-png

    note: The motherboard layout diagram on page 7 shows that my 2nd Video card will block the only available PCI motherboard slot for my HT Omega audio card. fooey!!
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    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
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    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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    only way round that is to go for a single gpu? sell the two 460's?

    or a usb tv stick?
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    I'm really glad that brand new - Haswell and Z87 is epic fail. No one who is normal will buy it. Haswell is extremely hot, OC useless and at stock voltage and frequency with stock cooler throttling. Now it is a big chance, that next year will be Haswell refresh. So LGA1150 can survive potentially 3 yrs. Now GB can show us how cares about older MoBos or their sales will rapidly fall down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CageJ View Post
    Haswell and Z87 is epic fail. No one who is normal will buy it. Haswell is extremely hot, OC useless and at stock voltage and frequency with stock cooler throttling.

    Stop taking whatever you are taking.

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    Default Re: Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?

    Prof. Jim, let me assure you that Z87 chipset boards have six (6) Intel 6Gb/s ports. Zero SATA 3Gb/s ports. Just got my Z87 EX 6 yesterday. Still getting it set up, I've been into the UEFI (OMGawd, the number of CPU settings, etc, is crazy, the forum will be bursting with questions) but did not install Windows yet.

    OTOH, the latest FUBAR of the ASMedia/Marvell "SATA III"-not chipsets, is although some boards are using the new Marvell 92xx chipsets that actually are connected to (or should be) two PCIe lanes (rather then one PCIe lane with 90% of the 91xx chips), is they now have four SATA ports on each chip. While that seems like an improvement, I'll bet the architecture is such that one PCIe lane is allocated to two ports, and the two PCIe lanes are separate. So the net gain in performance is... zero!

    Even better, the same old ASMedia 1061 chipset, with apparently the same architecture as the Marvell 91xx chips (one PCIe lane @ 5Gb/s) are now in some cases being connected to four (4) SATA ports. If used only for storage drives, that normally are accessed individually (one at a time), the resulting speed will be the same as it has been. But if an OS drive and storage drive are used with this ASMedia setup (Ugh!) so they are accessed simultaneously occasionally, performance will plummet.

    Next, the initial (very few data points) results on the Intel all SATA III ports with quad-SSDs in RAID 0, show the RAID 0 speed scaling to be dropping off. IOW, no 2,000MB/s sequential read speeds. Not really a criticism on my part, RAID is not magic and I've seen the same thing using four SSDs on Intel SATA II ports. I'm sure we'll be seeing many forum posts about "... where are my 2GB/s read speeds...".

    Finally, some very early observations about Haswell CPUs and mother boards (I have an ASRock Z87 EX 6 and i5-4670K):

    The number and types of CPU power, BCLK, etc, settings is unbelievable (know how to adjust the FIVR yet?), the learning... cliff over SB and IB is huge.

    Imagine some basic CPU power and frequency settings applied to... the chipset and memory! Yep, it will be fun but not for some.

    NOTE: Our favorite Samsung green memory works on Haswell systems. Well, at least it does on mine, I have it (first attempt) at 2000, 9 9 9 24 1T, @ 1.35V.

    Found the first bug in ASRock's Z87 EX 6 board's UEFI, at least it is only a display error. Imagine gentlemen, you fire up your new Haswell board and CPU system, and you are perusing voltage readings in the HW Monitor screen in the UEFI. You think, "Hmm, what's the Vcore..." since you started the PC for the first time, and CPU voltage settings are on Auto/default. You then see this: Vcore: 1.800V. Say what? You look again, 1.800V. You blink, rub your eyes, clean your glasses, look again and... 1.800V. Noooooo!!

    Fortunately, the Vcore is not 1.800V. But something really is 1.800V. Recall how Haswell CPUs have the VRM's in the CPU (or some of them, not all), and yet another new CPU voltage setting is the voltage into the CPU from the board's VRM's. Guess what that default voltage is? Right, 1.800V. I'll spare you the details regarding how I know the Vcore is not 1.800V for now. More adventures in Haswell land to come.

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    yeah I saw that 1.8v voltage somewhere,its not cpu v but its related

    you should do 2600mhz+ on those samsung greens with haswell,1.55-1.65 dram v
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