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    Default re: ************Gigabyte Take Note************

    My UD5H gets "memory loss" for BIOS settings whether using latest or beta's.
    The biggest problem I have is the BIOS "forgets" the PEG settings when running crossfired gpu's. Maybe that's what causes CCC to lose my crossfire setting.

    Add to that I can't install IRST and boot.....I've tried the one from the Gigabyte site and the latest stasio posted but it just_will_not_boot with IRST!
    Arrrrrgh!

    Supposedly there is a "new" BIOS for the 8 chipset that ditches the graphical version-I say good riddance as it's just useless when other features could be added in it's place.
    I don't need no stinkin' mouse to set BIOS options-but that one thing is something people have griped about from the start as not working well, so I hope it gets fixed this time around.

    C'mon Gigabyte, I love ya but it's time to fix this stuff.
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    the simple x58 ud5 bios was superb,you could set any setting and it would save it
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    Sorry to hear you guys are having these issues, which IMO should not be happening after all the experience any mother board manufacture has with BIOS/UEFI firmware and building mother boards.

    I've not used a Gigabyte board in several years, who is the source of the BIOS/UEFI? Such as, AMI, Phoenix, etc.

    My ASRock Z77 boards do not suffer from this issue at all. I can save three individual UEFI option settings profiles in the UEFI, and a Windows utility that ASRock provides allows saving and loading similar profiles in Windows. Saving and restoring BIOS profile options like this is nothing new, my ASUS socket 1366 board has that feature. Retaining BIOS settings is so basic for any mother board, and as PC builders, I don't see how you can stand that not working correctly.

    This problem sounds like something happening at the hardware level, such as the BIOS CMOS chip being flaky, or the power supplied to it is compromised. The latter could be caused by defective components on the board. Has anyone tried replacing the CMOS chips, if possible? Doesn't Gigabyte have the dual BIOS chip feature on some boards?

    IMO, this problem cannot be blamed on the use of UEFI firmware, instead of BIOS firmware. The GUI that is considered part of the UEFI firmware is really an extension (like a plug in) that UEFI firmware supports. The GUI's we have with UEFI firmware are not at all a part of the UEFI specification. Frankly, one of the few features that UEFI firmware supports that is actually used by the majority of PC builders is the GUI (not that we have a choice.) Otherwise, most of us are still "BIOS booting", with the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) enabled.

    I just recently have tried true UEFI starting/booting a PC, using Windows 8, installed with the OS drive GPT formatted and the CSM disabled. This uses the EFI boot loader, and not the MBR boot loader. This is not Secure Booting, although that is an option that is available in my board's UEFI.

    UEFI firmware is here to stay, we need a replacement for BIOS firmware, with its 16bit addressing limitation that can only access 1MB of our PC's memory. UEFI firmware has 64bit addressing. Using UEFI firmware is still not without issues, a video card's Vbios must support the UEFI GOP video format, and most still don't.

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    My UD5H & i7-3770K system suddenly started to crash couple days ago, turned out that everything else in bios had been reset to default values except multiplier
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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    Sorry to hear you guys are having these issues, which IMO should not be happening after all the experience any mother board manufacture has with BIOS/UEFI firmware and building mother boards.

    I've not used a Gigabyte board in several years, who is the source of the BIOS/UEFI? Such as, AMI, Phoenix, etc.

    My ASRock Z77 boards do not suffer from this issue at all. I can save three individual UEFI option settings profiles in the UEFI, and a Windows utility that ASRock provides allows saving and loading similar profiles in Windows. Saving and restoring BIOS profile options like this is nothing new, my ASUS socket 1366 board has that feature. Retaining BIOS settings is so basic for any mother board, and as PC builders, I don't see how you can stand that not working correctly.

    This problem sounds like something happening at the hardware level, such as the BIOS CMOS chip being flaky, or the power supplied to it is compromised. The latter could be caused by defective components on the board. Has anyone tried replacing the CMOS chips, if possible? Doesn't Gigabyte have the dual BIOS chip feature on some boards?

    IMO, this problem cannot be blamed on the use of UEFI firmware, instead of BIOS firmware. The GUI that is considered part of the UEFI firmware is really an extension (like a plug in) that UEFI firmware supports. The GUI's we have with UEFI firmware are not at all a part of the UEFI specification. Frankly, one of the few features that UEFI firmware supports that is actually used by the majority of PC builders is the GUI (not that we have a choice.) Otherwise, most of us are still "BIOS booting", with the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) enabled.

    I just recently have tried true UEFI starting/booting a PC, using Windows 8, installed with the OS drive GPT formatted and the CSM disabled. This uses the EFI boot loader, and not the MBR boot loader. This is not Secure Booting, although that is an option that is available in my board's UEFI.

    UEFI firmware is here to stay, we need a replacement for BIOS firmware, with its 16bit addressing limitation that can only access 1MB of our PC's memory. UEFI firmware has 64bit addressing. Using UEFI firmware is still not without issues, a video card's Vbios must support the UEFI GOP video format, and most still don't.
    I think it's an ami bios not sure tbh

    id be happy with a very basic bios layout like on older x58 boards aslong as it kept all your settings and didn't keep doing this,if you need to only change one bios setting you have to reflash the whole thing to get it to save

    I can confirm that asus z77 doesn't do this either,
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    Unfortunately Gigabyte have no interest in fixing bios issues, also i question the competence of their programmers. i have been in contact with them directly regarding an OEM project they're producing and to be frank i think they're very inexperienced.

    Besides which they clearly don't test things... maybe the reason the change logs are pathetic.

    our next OEM project Gigabyte wont get a look in.

    Already had better communications with their competitors.

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    Default Re: ************Gigabyte Take Note************

    Amigan,
    interested BIOS (and board) you have in your spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wazza300 View Post
    I think it's an ami bios not sure tbh

    id be happy with a very basic bios layout like on older x58 boards aslong as it kept all your settings and didn't keep doing this,if you need to only change one bios setting you have to reflash the whole thing to get it to save

    I can confirm that asus z77 doesn't do this either,
    My ASR board uses the AMI BIOS/UEFI too. If AMI has different versions for the same CPU/chipset boards is another question, and discovering which version these boards use may not be simple. If that even matters.

    Frankly, I can't think of any board I've used, including a socket 775 Gigabyte board (still in use, works fine), that would lose its BIOS settings, unless the board's battery was bad. IF BIOS settings are apparently randomly changing, that could be a potentially dangerous situation, if it affected things like Vcore, or DRAM voltages, etc. That does not seem to be the case, but IMO this is a pretty serious issue.

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    no it doesn't change the settings or lose them

    it loses the ability to display the settings in the bios for example it shows auto for everything when in fact its clocked to 4.6ghz,the speed/voltages are spot on in windows for 4.6ghz its just the bios showing auto for everything when its not

    plus if I set the 4.6ghz settings again it won't save them,it still shows auto

    until I reflash the bios and then re enter the settings,then it will save and display them instead of auto


    right now I switch my pc's over now and again and it seems to do this if its left powered off for a day or two,it could be bios battery but it is a brand new board and is fine if left powered on
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    Default Re: ************Gigabyte Take Note************

    It sounds like the bios does not loose the saved settings, rather it can't properly display them.
    If you lowered the cpu multiplier from 46 to 44, and saved the changed setting, what happens to the cpu speed when you reboot?
    Will the cpu speed now be 4.4GHz even though the bios probably still won't report the correct settings?
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