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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Thanks for the update.
    Hopefully Startech will come through with a fix sooner rather than later.
    As a temporary work around try using a 10 - 15 second HDD delay, it might work better than your failed 5 second HDD attempt.

    If you decide to upgrade to Ivy Bridge later this year you might be better off spending a bit more and going with a Haswell system, as it should natively support six Intel SATA 6Gb/s ports and six Intel USB 3.0 ports. I've seen way too many limitations and issues with Sandy and Ivy bridge systems that use on board controllers from Marvell, ASMedia, Via and others. It looks like Hawell's performance will have a modest increase compared to Ivy Bridge.

    In Haswell Is Coming,Who's Upgrading?, post #13, Stasio reported:
    Btw,
    one more thing is that June release Z87 boards will be launched with C1 stepping chipset.
    C2 stepping which fixed the USB3.0 problem will be in mass production in mid-August.
    (So will be similar situation as with P67 series B2=>B3).
    I'll be waiting until late summer or early fall before I go with Haswell.
    If the introductory prices don't drop within a reasonable amount of time, I'll wait for the Thanksgiving holiday sale prices.
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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by wbearr View Post
    Update: Contacted Gigabyte, tech said not a driver or bios problem. He thinks X58A chipset(at least on a Gigabyte board) does not give the X4 card the delay it needs on a cold boot in order to be recognized. A restart does give the needed delay and the card works. A X1 card does get the delay on a cold boot as my testing shows.

    So it seems everything is working, the board, card and drivers. It's just this particular X4 USB3 card will not play well with my chipset and board.

    Here are options we discussed
    1. Live with the board and restart every time card is needed and or wait till late summer when the 1150 socket boards are out. The price will drop on the 1155 GA-Z77X-UD5H board/processors. Buy one of those and the card may then work or forget the card since the GA-Z77X-UD5H has loads of USB3 ports. Good plan if a person has the cash since it would be an upgrade over what I have now but sad because current board will only get a couple months use. What a waste.

    2. Give this info to Startech and hope they will develop new firmware for the card that will let it work. Guess we will see how receptive they are to improving their products.

    The tech did give me a way to decrease the hassle of restarts. Cold boot and as soon as the first screen appears hit the case reset button thereby saving time waiting for a full start and then restart. Pitiful in this day and age but what is one to do!

    Thanks to every one who gave help and suggestions. I will report back after I see what Startech can do.
    ^Is your board still under warranty?

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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    ^Is your board still under warranty?

    Vin
    Not sure it was purchased summer 2011. The Gigabyte tech does not think the board is "defective"

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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Jim.
    I didn't realize the board/processor he wanted me to upgrade to still had USB/sata 6 issues. What exactly seems to be the problem. I bought the board I have now at the end of it's run, i sure don't want to do that with the 1155. Maybe I should wait for the 1150 but what guarantee is there they will have it fixed on that?

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    Cool Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Download and read the mobo user manual for any of the z77 boards and look closely at the specification details. You'll find 2 intel 6gb/s Intel ports along with several (4?) Intel 3Gb/s ports, along with a pair of "mongrel" 6Gb/s ports. Kind of like a raid potpourri! Look at your issue with right now with usb 3.0. Do you really want to spend $50 or $100 or more for each additional HBA controller card again? When you look closely at the specs, you'll find with some boards if you want to enable e-sata ports you sometimes loose the use of one or more sata ports. I won't spend $1000+ for new hardware where I have to play musical chairs with port assignments, it's been this way for too long already. Look at how "crippled" your X58 is when it comes to ports. This isn't just a Gigabyte or ASRock issue, you'll probably find that ASUS and MSI have similar issues. It's usually spelled out in the specs where you often must carefully read the footnotes for the details. The better motherboard review sites sometimes point out the port limitations.

    I expect Haswell to perform minimally better than Ivy Bridge, but Haswell will have some additional features that should make it worthwhile. I've already seen some very nice discounts on some the better Z77 motherboards, but I'd rather spend a bit more to get what I want without having to spend much more for add-in controller cards. Go back to the P55 systems and you'll find the same issues. I plan to keep my new system for at least 5 years or longer so I don't mind spending more for a higher end board with a 4770K cpu. Hopefully the NDA (non disclosure agreement) will lift in early June so that the review sites can flood us with detailed Haswell reviews.

    Now I need to find a hack that will let my win7 Home Premium O/S run 32GB of memory without spending $100 or more to upgrade win7.

    BTW, I never make any major purchases without first reading through the manual(s) thoroughly.
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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by wbearr View Post
    The Gigabyte tech does not think the board is "defective"
    Of Course they didn't.

    Search on here for Warranty, you should find a link that points to where you can enter your serial number and it will tell you if it is or not.

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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    I checked out the manual of the z77 board I was looking at. As you said I would be depending on 3rd party controllers to get the back panel usb3 ports I want and Marvell for all but 2 sata3 ports. Much better than my current board but not something I'd want to keep for 5 years. At least it has usb3 internal headers so I don't have to do the ridiculous pass through!

    I think you are right it would be better use what I have, putting up with restarts and wait till fall for a reasonable price on the new stuff. I am actually more interested in the z87 functions than the new processors. The current I7's would probably be fine for my uses but faster is good.

    Do you think decent pricing will happen by fall? I would think it would take much longer for the just out stuff to come down.

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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Brand new hardware prices usually sell for a premium price when they are introduced and the prices generally start to trend downward within a month or two. Because desktop sales have decreased quite a bit this past year, this might put pressure on Haswell prices if demand isn't that strong. I've recently seen some steep Ivy Bridge motherboard price discounts on quite a few midrange mobos, but IB processors seem to be in their normal price range. Haswll processors have 1150 pins so there isn't any compatibility with IB boards or cpu's. Buyers of the higher end K processors are older and wiser about small performance increases based on the incremental changes going from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge. It will be interesting to see if Haswell's improved feature set will help with increased sales.

    The best price discounts should start just before Thanksgiving but it pays to watch for special deals at all times. I bought an 80 Plus Platinum rated Seasonic 660 watt power supply in March when Newegg dropped the price to $90 (after rebate). I'm hoping that Samsung has new memory available similar to what they sold last year. Keep in mind that the U.S. government might pass a law that forces state sales taxes to be charged by the seller on all internet sales sometime near or just after the first of the year.

    It will be interesting to see who provides a fix for your usb 3.0 controller hiccup, as the card seems to work fine after you jump through some hoops each time you cold boot your system. It sounds like you might have some usb 3.0 issues with waking from sleep and/or hibernation. I was checking the specs last night for an ASUS P8Z77 - V Deluxe for a forum post and discovered some issues where an e-sata port "shares" bandwidth with one of the sata ports. I'll be looking closely at new motherboards to ensure that my SLI setup doesn't interfere with other pci-e lanes on a Haswell board.

    I've been using dual core processors for so long now, I think I'll just buy a quad core and run hyper threading all the time, even if it hurts overclocking performance in some cases.
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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    I'm Aiming for Newegg's Black Friday Deals... I'm hoping I can round up what I need to work on my rig a little ;)

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    Default Re: New PCIe Card not Recognized on Cold Boot, Works Perfect on Restarts. Why?

    Yeah we definitely want to beat that sales tax since they will charge the local tax rate where you live not the general state tax. In my case that would be 7.25% vs 8.5%. With these revenue hungry politicians I'd say it's a sure thing they will pass it. Looks like the senate will go for it and only the house will kill it.

    Seems like I buy most of my stuff from Amazon or Newegg. Since I'm not a gamer I'm going to look at what ever Gigabyte comes out with as far as a mainstream deluxe board UD5.

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