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    Default Re: Gigabyte X58-UD3R Rev 2 list of problems

    Well to be thorough I tested my RMA'd card (arrived today) with the possible problem power supply and it gave me the graphics card beeps, then restarted and then got to the bios screen and lost picture immediately. So, I tore out my old PSU and am awaiting the arrival of the new one. Just giving you guys an update.

    Thanks again for all your help!

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    Hey Ubernooblet,
    Great pick in power supplies. Looking forward to seeing how things go after the switch. I sent my Corsair 850 back ( 5 year warranty )and got a new one that I am keeping as a backup if I ever need one ( Corsair really honors their warranty ).
    see ya ---rclark

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    Default Re: Gigabyte X58-UD3R Rev 2 list of problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    those are all good choices but just make sure that you get a power supply that had a single rail.. multi-rail PSU's are garbage as they never have the power where you need it... if you pay attention to what goes where on the different +12V rails and their current allocation it's horrible. Single Rail PSU is the only way to go imo

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    Vin
    I disagree.
    A well designed multi-rail power supply is an equally good option if you know what to look for.
    On the original Antec TP-750 New power supply web page, it was rated for 40 amps (480 watts) maximum on each of its four 12 volt rails. The nominal rating was 25 amps per 12 volt rail. In Antec TruePower New 750 W (TP-750) Power Supply Review | Hardware Secrets they drew 27 amps each from the +12V1 and +12V3 rails and 10 amps each from the 5 volt and 3 volt rails during their full load test. In their overload tests, two of the 12 volt rails were each loaded with 32 amps and the power supply's total output was 924 watts.

    With a single 12 volt rail, you don't need to be concerned with over current limits (OCP) for each 12 volt rail or if the manufacturer properly balanced and allocated the electrical loads for each 12 volt rail. There have been a few high power power supplies that had six 12 volt rails with a nominal rating of 25 amps per rail.
    I wonder if higher powered single rail power supplies can also do well as a light duty D.C. arc welder.

    The rest of Vinster's psu information is right on the money.
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    Default Re: Gigabyte X58-UD3R Rev 2 list of problems

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    I disagree.
    A well designed multi-rail power supply is an equally good option if you know what to look for.
    On the original Antec TP-750 New power supply web page, it was rated for 40 amps (480 watts) maximum on each of its four 12 volt rails. The nominal rating was 25 amps per 12 volt rail. In Antec TruePower New 750 W (TP-750) Power Supply Review | Hardware Secrets they drew 27 amps each from the +12V1 and +12V3 rails and 10 amps each from the 5 volt and 3 volt rails during their full load test. In their overload tests, two of the 12 volt rails were each loaded with 32 amps and the power supply's total output was 924 watts.

    With a single 12 volt rail, you don't need to be concerned with over current limits (OCP) for each 12 volt rail or if the manufacturer properly balanced and allocated the electrical loads for each 12 volt rail. There have been a few high power power supplies that had six 12 volt rails with a nominal rating of 25 amps per rail.
    I wonder if higher powered single rail power supplies can also do well as a light duty D.C. arc welder.

    The rest of Vinster's psu information is right on the money.
    Our friend JonnyG has said the same thing, and said he's seen single rail PS's where you could short the 12V rail to ground, and the PS would not shut off. You've seen the 12V CPU power cable connector melted at the mother board input connection, due to shorts and then way more than the max specified 24Amps cooking it.

    Single rail PS's were pushed on us by PS manufactures for several reasons:

    Cheaper to make than multi-rail.

    Far fewer problems from stupid users that cannot balance their loads, and have no concept of that in the first place. This is really the main reason why PSU manufactures do not want to deal with multi-rail designs.

    Users do everything they can to use as few cables as possible, so rails are overloaded with multi-connector adapter cables connected to a main cable. Add modular PS's to the equation, same issue. Imagine telling users they must use two or three cables, when one would suffice in their eyes. That PSU would be labeled as no good.

    They also don't want OC protection, if that kicks in on a multi rail design, the PSU is considered weak.

    Actually, I'm wrong about single rail being pushed on us, they were accepted with open arms.

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    Aw shucks, you're just saying that because it's true.

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    So do I need to be concerned about using the single rail? Or is it just something that when it goes wrong it goes wrong more awesomely?

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    Default Re: Gigabyte X58-UD3R Rev 2 list of problems

    As parsec said, you need to know how to balance the loads with a multi-12 volt rail setup to ensure that you don't accidentally overload one of the rails. The better psu review sites can usually report on which psu cables are connected to each 12 volt rail. My psu must have an individual pci-e 6- or 8-pin cable for each pci-e connector, and not one where two of the video card connectors are part of one cable. Short Circuit protection is a must have feature and the psu review must report whether this feature works or not.

    My bottom line: buy a high quality single rail psu but don't connect too many peripherals to any psu cable.
    Seasonic (or made by Seasonic) power supplies are best.
    SuperFlower makes some excellent power supplies for other name brand vendors.

    PSU Review Database - RealHardTechX is an excellent site for quickly finding out who makes each psu model and includes links to many of the better psu review sites that have reviewed certain models.

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    If you find a high quality, highly rated multi-rail psu, don't be afraid to buy it if its OCP limits for each 12 volt rail are least 20 - 30% higher than the rating on the psu rail chart.
    Last edited by profJim; 06-21-2013 at 11:33 PM.
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    Alright thanks, I will definitely keep that in mind about the peripherals.

    Most of the reviews I have read did not really talk too much about the protection, but the ones that did said it worked.

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    Default Re: Gigabyte X58-UD3R Rev 2 list of problems

    Well Gentlemen,

    I got the new PSU installed and everything appears to be running fine. I am going to run a few more tests this weekend, but everything looks promising.

    Thank you for your helpful insight.

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    Default Re: Gigabyte X58-UD3R Rev 2 list of problems

    Glad to hear that your new power supply is working well so far.
    Did you go with the 1KW Seasonic Platinum psu?
    Where do we send our individual consulting bills?

    BTW rclark never paid his bill because my dog ate his invoice before I could send it.
    Last edited by profJim; 06-22-2013 at 07:24 AM.
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    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
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