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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by boondocks View Post
    You can look in section 1-2 Product Specifications of your manual and it tells you pretty much which USB hubs are which. For example the UD5H has 1 internal USB 3.0/2.0 header (2 ports) controlled by the chipset. The other internal header and all external 3.0 headers are controlled by the Renesas hubs.
    The way I understand it, the hubs are used to multiply the number of ports available from the chipset and as such will share bandwidth.
    As I said early in this thread there is no driver for the Renesas hubs.

    HTH.
    Thanks for the info. Got to check them. By the way, I know it's dependent on some other factors, but what could be a good reference, average speed for USB3 transfers?


    Quote Originally Posted by boondocks View Post
    These hubs don't have drivers AFAIK...probably have firmware, though.
    Right. I already emailed Renesas the other day, and they confirmed that they ONLY manufacture the chips (not the hubs), and don't need drivers. If ever, it would be the manufacturer who 'may' provide drivers/firmware for the 'hubs' which use Renesas drivers.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlockABoots View Post
    In thats case then if they dont have drivers then there's no way to get the top 2 USB3 ports to work in USB3 mode?
    I'm also curious about this and will continue testing mine too, w/c is why I'm looking around for reference on typical speeds to check how my ports perform. So far, the only USB3 internal header I can't test is the Intel (Red, near the DIMMs) one as I'm still waiting for my 2-port USB3 front panel hub to arrive from the US.
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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by boondocks View Post
    You can look in section 1-2 Product Specifications of your manual and it tells you pretty much which USB hubs are which. For example the UD5H has 1 internal USB 3.0/2.0 header (2 ports) controlled by the chipset. The other internal header and all external 3.0 headers are controlled by the Renesas hubs.
    The way I understand it, the hubs are used to multiply the number of ports available from the chipset and as such will share bandwidth.
    As I said early in this thread there is no driver for the Renesas hubs.

    HTH.
    Thinking about it if the Renesas chip controls all the USB3 ports then why do you need to install the UBS3 drivers from the gigabyte page to get the 4 on the I/O to start working in USB3 mode. If this was the case the USB3 ports would work as they should without any drivers needing to be installed?
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    Angry Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    I'm doing a new build right now and Windows is reporting all my ports are working at High Speed but I'm suspicious. The last Gigabyte board I bought had similar issues, drivers were not being recognized and Windows was using generics (The Marvell 6G SATA controller, which after I fixed the issues make my Performance Index jump 3 points). If it is a hub then no drivers are required but then why is there a drivers folder for Renesas USB on the CD???? BTW they don't work...

    I call bulls*it...

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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Delecron View Post
    I'm doing a new build right now and Windows is reporting all my ports are working at High Speed but I'm suspicious. The last Gigabyte board I bought had similar issues, drivers were not being recognized and Windows was using generics (The Marvell 6G SATA controller, which after I fixed the issues make my Performance Index jump 3 points). If it is a hub then no drivers are required but then why is there a drivers folder for Renesas USB on the CD???? BTW they don't work... I call bulls*it...
    It's not unusual for Gigabyte to combine drivers on a disc for several motherboards, or even have packages that aren't used at all. If you look at the disk there are also drivers for Atheros, which doesn't exist on the motherboard either. But anyway the USB 3.0 drivers on the GA Z87X UD5H website are sourced from Intel I suspect, since it's their USB implementation being used on the chipset. To expand the number of ports beyond what is provided on the chipset, the manufacturers can use hubs from various sources if they choose. Some may require drivers, some will not. I'm not enough of a hardware guru to tell you why some packages need drivers and some don't, but in the case of the Z87 UD5H no Renesas drivers are needed until someone can prove to me otherwise.
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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    I concur with what boondocks said. My UD3H, which has similar specs, at least as far as the USB ports and Renesas hubs are concerned, only needs the Intel drivers. I already got confirmation from Renesas that these hubs don't need any drivers.
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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    Posters on this thread have indicated the USB 3 internal header near the dimm's (header #1 on/off) is supplied by Intel and the header by the front panel connectors(header #2) is supplied by one of the Renesas hubs. A tech at GB USA told me the opposite. Any one care to confirm which is correct?

    Confirming what has been posted the tech said no Renesas drivers are needed since they are only hubs which operate off the Intel chipset usb feed which we do install a driver for. Renesas controller chips need drivers, Renesas hub chips do not.

    The downside to the hubs is they share bandwidth.

    So what we have is:

    1 Renesas hub supplying 4 of the back ports.
    1 Renesas hub supplying 2 back ports and 2 ports on a MB header.
    2 ports on 2nd MB header supplied by Intel chipset.

    If you want full bandwidth to your usb device you can only use 3 at a time or maybe 4 if the Intel header supplies full bandwidth to both connections which I some how doubt.

    Anyone done any testing on the Intel header for bandwidth?

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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    I was one who mentioned that the header near the DIMMs is the Intel header, and I got that from a rep from GB Taiwan. Since both of us got info from GB, I can't confirm who's right FWIW though, transfer speeds on my USB3 devices on both headers seem to be identical anyway.

    Regarding shared bandwidth, I have the same information. The only thing is reviews haven't identified which are shared. And regarding the drivers, yes, the Renesas hubs don't need drivers (per a Renesas rep).

    Now only if someone can identify which ones are shared by which header, then we can maximize usage of the ports. This would apply to me since I don't use all ports at the same time. Just need to know which would perform better, once we identify them.
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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    There are two usb 3.0 motherboard headers: F_USB30_1 and F_USB30_2.

    The following test should determine which usb 3.0 header has the best performance, that is, no shared bandwidth.
    1. Connect two identical usb flash drives using the F_USB30_1 header.
    2. Simultaneously copy two identical large files to each of the flash drives.
      The files to be copied should be at least 1 - 2GB or larger and preferably on an ssd.
    3. Watch the reported windows MB/sec figures in each of the copy windows for both drives.
    4. Repeat the same test using the F_USB30_2 header.

    If you repeat this test using two of the rear I/O panel usb 3.0 ports, the performance might be similar to the lower performing results from the above tests.
    My SWAG is on the F_USB30_1 header having the best performance.

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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    There are two usb 3.0 motherboard headers: F_USB30_1 and F_USB30_2.

    The following test should determine which usb 3.0 header has the best performance, that is, no shared bandwidth.
    1. Connect two identical usb flash drives using the F_USB30_1 header.
    2. Simultaneously copy two identical large files to each of the flash drives.
      The files to be copied should be at least 1 - 2GB or larger and preferably on an ssd.
    3. Watch the reported windows MB/sec figures in each of the copy windows for both drives.
    4. Repeat the same test using the F_USB30_2 header.

    If you repeat this test using two of the rear I/O panel usb 3.0 ports, the performance might be similar to the lower performing results from the above tests.
    My SWAG is on the F_USB30_1 header having the best performance.

    Hi profjim. What's the significance of copying 2 files simultaneously? Wouldn't copying just 1 file to drives in the different ports and comparing their times suffice? Or is it so because copying 2 simultaneously will have an effect on the shared speed? If this is the case, it won't matter much since I never had the need to copy simultaneously, and hence won't be affected by 'shared' bandwidth. Can you pls clarify, thanks.
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    Default Re: GA-Z87-UD5H. USB3.0 onboard Header Issues

    I think Jim responded that way because I was interested in shared bandwidth vs unshared and which headers have which. I routinely transfer large files between external HDD's and I would like full bw on each.

    I don't think there will be any significant difference between speeds on any of the ports if you are transferring to one device at a time.

    I still would like to:

    1. confirm which of the two MB headers is the Intel and which is the Renesas since we have conflicting info from GB.

    2. confirm which of the two back panel ports share the hub with the Renesas MB header.

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