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    Question Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    Hello guys,

    I know it's kinda old but I'm interested in Overclocking a Q9650 SLB8W, 4 sticks of G.Skill F2-8500CL5D and a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P with bios F11.d.

    My doubts are, which is better 1:1 or other divider like 5:6 to my setup?

    After can you give me examples of templates to configure M.I.T.?

    I'm sorry not being detailed about my doubts, but I've come from a P5B and the bios was quite simpler.

    Anything you guys need to know I'll be glad to answer.

    BTW, I've managed to boot with most of the options in the board @ [auto] to 525 FSB 1:1, but freezed in Memtest. After this FSB the board just won't boot.

    Again, thanks in advance.

    Jorge


    PS: I've tried a lot of templates but I can't know if the users of those templates are using different CPU or Memory from the setup I have.
    PSU: Nox NX Series 520W | MB: Gigabyte P45-UD3P (F11d) | CPU: Intel Q9650 (SLB8W) | Memory: G.Skill F2-8500 2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) | GPU: ATI Radeon HD4870 | HD: Samsung SSD Evo 128Gb | Case: CM 690 II | Cooling: Phase-Change (-40) [Home made]

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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    You can't expect any stable overclocked template to work with your setup, even if the template is from a system with an identical hardware setup. I've seen some Q9550/Q9650 EP45-UD3P (or UD3R) setups where they struggled to reach 3.80GHz and others that are stable with a 4.50GHz overclock. It depends on how "good" your cpu, motherboard, memory and power supply is. Once you get to about 3.80GHz you often need to tweak with MCH or CPU Reference settings and sometimes you might need to tweak the CPU or MCH Clock Skew (ps) settings.

    The forum's Advanced Search Keyword(s) feature and Search Titles Only for Q9650 Q9550 will provide a list of 226 threads, 49 of which are for the Q9650 cpu. Some of the posts will include their bios templates and some excellent screen-shots that provide useful information from EasyTune6, Memset, CPU-z and some benchmark results. There is a wealth of solid overclocking information in many of these threads.

    Depending on your FSB setting, there is virtually no difference when running memory at using Cas4 settings below ~ 900MHz versus using Cas5 settings with 1066MHz or higher. With 8GB of DDR2 memory you might need to use Cas6 settings with memory speeds higher than ~1000MHz.

    Several months ago I got a Q9650 and P35-DS4 motherboard with 8GB of OCZ Reaper 1066MHz memory and easily had a stable overclock at 4.00GHz. I'm running at 3.80GHz with slightly lower Cpu Vcore on this old chip. With my P35 motherboard the highest possible FSB setting (aka Cpu Host Frequency) is probably about 470MHz with 8GB of memory. Your P45 motherboard might be stable using a 500 - 550MHz FSB.

    There aren't any shortcuts to getting a stable, high overclock. It will require a lot of Prime95 overnight stress testing.

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    Q9650 @ 4.50MHz with DDR3 1600MHz, Rampage Extreme
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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    Thanks Jim,

    I'll check your reply and try to do some more testing!

    Again thanks!

    Jorge
    PSU: Nox NX Series 520W | MB: Gigabyte P45-UD3P (F11d) | CPU: Intel Q9650 (SLB8W) | Memory: G.Skill F2-8500 2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) | GPU: ATI Radeon HD4870 | HD: Samsung SSD Evo 128Gb | Case: CM 690 II | Cooling: Phase-Change (-40) [Home made]

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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    You're welcome.

    I did some quick and dirty testing to see how high my FSB would go.
    475, 470 and 465MHz wouldn't boot, even when my cpu Vcore was set to 1.45 volts.
    Increasing several other voltages did not help.

    My system booted with 9 x 460MHz = 4.140GHz and was able to successfully complete 5 runs of IBT using the High stress level = 2048MB.
    This quickie test does not mean that my system was anywhere near stable with these settings.

    My tests included:
    • stock settings using 3.0GHz cpu with 1066MHz memory @ 5-5-5-15, cpu vcore = 1.27500 (normal setting)
    • my everyday settings using 3.818GHz cpu with 848MHz memory @ 4-4-4-10, cpu vcore = 1.36250
    • higher O/C settings using 4.14GHz cpu with 920MHz memory @ 5-4-5-12, cpu vcore = 1.45000


    The GFlops results scaled closely with the cpu speed where:
    • stock = 39+ GFlops
    • everyday = 49+ GFlops
    • high O/C = 53+ GFlops

    I don't know if I could have overclocked higher if I only used 2x2GB of memory, using only 4GB of memory is not an option.
    It's not worth it to me to use vcore = 1.45 volts instead of my relatively cool vcore = 1.36250 volts.

    Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler-q9650-4-140ghz-p35-ds4-ibt-benchmark-2014-03-12-jpg

    If Chike is looking over my shoulder, I'm well aware that the spread in GFlops scores at 4.14GHz is not ideal.
    Last edited by profJim; 03-13-2014 at 04:25 AM.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    G-Skills won't do much over a FSB of 459. Pretty much @ any stock voltages. Or in plain terms 3.9 GHz max, 1102 Mhz mem @ 2.1v. 5 5 5 15 8 58. But that just my opine. I think you would be better served with a different memory other than G.Skill. Say Corsair...

    I disagree with the P95 over night testing though. Really how long are you going to max you PC at maximun settings? Unless your folding or some crap like that why bother with the 12 - 24 hours crap.

    And the Chike gflops spread is crap also so take it with a grain of salt, really means nothing. But Hey bump the cpu volts if you wish.
    Last edited by WTFMAN; 03-13-2014 at 09:09 AM.

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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    I've been running a Q9550 in an EP45-UD3P for 5 years now as a Hackintosh. I updated the BIOS recently with a modded one, and didn't save my settings, so I've been recreating them.

    My CPU has a high VID (1.30V) but it runs 16 hr Prime95 stable at 452 MHz FSB with stock voltage! Had to bump the MCH Core voltage to 1.22V though, and play with the MCH and CPU Termination voltages and MCH clock skew to get it reliable at that speed.

    I'm still trying to optimize the memory timing. I'm running 8 GB of OCZ Reapers rated for 1066 MHz. I'm "underclocking" them at 1:1 (912 MHz) right now, at 1.8V. CPU and FSB are more important than RAM speed IMHO.
    Intel Q9550 @ 3.842GHz * Gigabyte EP45-UD3P v1.1 * 8GB of OCZ Reaper HPC * nVidia GeForce GTX 660 * Mac OS X 10.9.2

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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    Guys, thanks a lot for answering!

    Tonight I'll give more try's in tweaking my Bios, if I can I'll install a OS and post some screenshots.

    Again thanks in advance.

    Jorge
    PSU: Nox NX Series 520W | MB: Gigabyte P45-UD3P (F11d) | CPU: Intel Q9650 (SLB8W) | Memory: G.Skill F2-8500 2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) | GPU: ATI Radeon HD4870 | HD: Samsung SSD Evo 128Gb | Case: CM 690 II | Cooling: Phase-Change (-40) [Home made]

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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    I recommend that you install the O/S using stock cpu and memory speeds.
    I always save the optimized, "default" bios settings as a saved bios profile.

    It's possible that your O/S installation might get corrupted while stress testing.
    To avoid possibly having to reinstall the O/S, create an O/S boot partition image and save the image to a drive that will be offline while you're testing. My personal preference is to use Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download for creating and restoring partition backups.

    You can create a Linux and/or Windows PE Rescue Media CD/DVD with their freeware version.

    Happy tweaking!
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    Hello guys,

    I've done some rough testing only with Memtest and managed to boot at 500 FSB 1:1 (with multi 6x) and bios auto settings to do ONE loop of Memtest. The only setting changed was the CPU V-core and was set to "Normal" around 1.265v. @ "Auto" was scaling to 1.4+volts which was just to much for x6 multi.

    I'll continue my journey of tweaking, first at a low multi and the escalating to higher multis with phase-change cooling.

    Again thanks for all the information you provided.

    BTW anyone knows a guide to MIT in this board since I really don't know much about VTT termination and all this new options that didn't exist in my previous board, an Asus P5B.

    Best wishes.

    Jorge
    PSU: Nox NX Series 520W | MB: Gigabyte P45-UD3P (F11d) | CPU: Intel Q9650 (SLB8W) | Memory: G.Skill F2-8500 2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) | GPU: ATI Radeon HD4870 | HD: Samsung SSD Evo 128Gb | Case: CM 690 II | Cooling: Phase-Change (-40) [Home made]

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    Default Re: Q9650, GA-EP45-UD3P,2x(F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK) + Phase Change Cooler

    I've spent several hours revisiting the GA-EP45-UD3P - Won't boot with 450FSB thread. Ah, the good old days.
    Even though the thread deals with E8400 overclocking, there is an incredible amount of excellent overclocking advice, starting around the post #80 section. The overclocking efforts eventually get around to using clock skews and MCH/CPU reference volt settings. devoh is a forum member who was trying for 500 - 550MHz settings with a 6x multiplier. There are several broken TweakTown links in this thread and I can fix them if you list the post numbers that have broken links.

    Here are some links that will help:








    Happy reading!
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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