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    Default Re: FSB tweak or ...

    Glad to hear that you are making progress.

    In post #29 you said:
    Are you suggesting I change this setting to '1'? when you said
    Static tRead Phase Adjust______25__[Auto] note: the value displayed to the left is usually 1 with the Auto setting
    Do not manually change the Static tRead Phase Adjust setting under any circumstances!! The only time that my AUTO setting showed a value other than 1 in the column to the left was sometimes when I was testing and running with very tight memory timings. You will have a much easier time getting your system stable with memory timings that are not optimized to the Nth degree.

    With your stock Intel cpu cooler and its mediocre cooling abilities, you should not run IBT or LinX stress tests because the cpu core temperatures will get too high. With a good mid-range cpu cooler, Prime95 tests should be in the 50o - 55oC range. With your current Intel cooler cpu core temperatures up to 75o - 80oC are acceptable.

    When you don't post your bios template settings we can't be sure if some of the other settings are good or if they're bad.
    I have no idea which of your voltages are "too high." Dram Voltage? Cpu Voltage? Other voltage settings?

    Why are you posting cpu-z or Memset screen-shots sometimes with your 2 x 2GB G.Skill memory and other times with your 2 x 1GB Corsair memory?

    Memset shows Performance Level = 11. Static tRead Value is the same as Performance Level and tRD is another name for this setting. Lower tRD settings gives better performance up to a point. If tRD is too low, your system might not post or you might have instability. I recommend that you run your G.Skill memory using 5-5-5-15 primary memory timings until your system is stable with memory speeds in the 800MHz range. Note that cpu-z and Memset show the memory speed at one half of the actual DDR2 memory speed.

    It's best to post a screen-shot of the BSOD screen because some of the screen information can help diagnose where the problem might be. If your system auto reboots after a BSOD follow the steps in How To Disable the Automatic Restart on System Failure in Windows 7.

    After you alter and save any changed bios settings, reboot immediately back into the bios and immediately double check that your new bios settings have not been reset. This often happens if your system powers on and off more than one time after you have changed bios settings.

    When you don't provide detailed information, it's like calling you doctor and saying "Hey doc, I've got a headache, what's wrong?
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    Default Re: FSB tweak or ...

    Well as for the different ram SS's

    at one point you said just deal with the 2x2 and don't mix the memory until everything is stable. The latest posts only have the Corsair RAM in the SS. I think I posted the Gskill early but the Corsair 2x2 is the RAM I want to use mainly because of it's size.

    regarding

    In post #29 you said:
    Are you suggesting I change this setting to '1'? when you said
    I understood it after I posted so went back and deleted that part - but you ninja'd it! lol

    At any rate - I'll post more definitive data ie BIOS settings each time. Thanks PJ

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    Why are you posting cpu-z or Memset screen-shots sometimes with your 2 x 2GB G.Skill memory and other times with your 2 x 1GB Corsair memory?
    Oops, looks like I had a brief moment of mental instability (aka brain fart).
    I was referring to the SPD screen-shots in posts #28 and #29 and they both are definitely for your 2 x 2GB of Corsair memory.
    Sorry for the confusion.

    I'm still curious how the Memset Performance Level was set to 11 instead of 6.
    If the bios can't post and boot with your tweaked settings, it will usually auto-adjust or reset some of the overclocked bios settings so that your system can boot.
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    Default Re: FSB tweak or ...

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Oops, looks like I had a brief moment of mental instability (aka brain fart).
    I was referring to the SPD screen-shots in posts #28 and #29 and they both are definitely for your 2 x 2GB of Corsair memory.
    Sorry for the confusion.

    I'm still curious how the Memset Performance Level was set to 11 instead of 6.
    If the bios can't post and boot with your tweaked settings, it will usually auto-adjust or reset some of the overclocked bios settings so that your system can boot.
    This number should be lower -optimally- right? So you think my ds3l might be changing it? Is this my 'static tread value'?
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    tRD = Static tRead Value = Performance Level and lower numeric values offer better memory performance.
    Manually setting tRD = 6 at your current FSB should be optimal and safe with your P35 motherboard.
    A P45 motherboard could go as low as tRD = 7 up to about FSB = 420MHz.
    These are general guidelines.

    Manually set Static tRead Value = 6 in your bios, save settings and exit and then immediately reboot into the bios and double check what the manual setting is. When you then boot into windows, run Memset and see if Performance Level has changed, as well as if there are any changes to the primary memory timings, for example 4-4-4-12. If you still have stability issues, change the primary memory timings to 4-5-4-13 or 14 and see if your system does better.

    Don't worry about trying to maximize memory settings right now; first comes stability, followed by memory tweaking once you've reached you "best" stable O/C speeds.

    Read and understand the basic concepts in both of the links I provided in post #10.
    After you have a good basic understanding, the overclocking will make more sense and will be more enjoyable.
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    Oh yeah Prof

    this is a little off topic but I wondered what you thought of the idea of going crossfire with another 5770. Prices range from 40 - 100 used. Fair price is probably 60 if it's in good shape. New they are about 120 - if you can find one. Thanks to the miners

    Such as most questions posed regarding Overclocking- the answer is probably - "it depends". But you're getting to know my set up etc. Do you think I'd get more for my money by going crossfire (or 3way sli) or just investing in a better single graphics card.

    I'd need a different MoBo but don't factor in that cost. Just factor the GPU situation. Do you have any thoughts on that idea?

    I recently read an article about how graphics cards are taking another big step forward with something called Mantle I think it was called. Something about allowing low level computing to access the GPU? or the API? That probably doesn't make sense but I don't remember all the mumbo jumbo. Point being that - maybe waiting for a while before buying new tech might be worth the wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    tRD = Static tRead Value = Performance Level and lower numeric values offer better memory performance.
    Manually setting tRD = 6 at your current FSB should be optimal and safe with your P35 motherboard.
    A P45 motherboard could go as low as tRD = 7 up to about FSB = 420MHz.
    These are general guidelines.

    Manually set Static tRead Value = 6 in your bios, save settings and exit and then immediately reboot into the bios and double check what the manual setting is. When you then boot into windows, run Memset and see if Performance Level has changed, as well as if there are any changes to the primary memory timings, for example 4-4-4-12. If you still have stability issues, change the primary memory timings to 4-5-4-13 or 14 and see if your system does better.

    Don't worry about trying to maximize memory settings right now; first comes stability, followed by memory tweaking once you've reached you "best" stable O/C speeds.

    Read and understand the basic concepts in both of the links I provided in post #10.
    After you have a good basic understanding, the overclocking will make more sense and will be more enjoyable.
    OK thanks. I'll do this right now. brb

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    I think that you'd do better with a used 5850 or 5870 single video card instead of two 5770's.
    You might find that a 6850 or 6870 single card setup might be less expensive than the 5800 series cards because if I recall correctly the newer 68xx video cards were not quite as powerful.

    More on this later, I've got to go out now for several hours.
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    Ahh thanks!

    Memset shows 6 @ Performance Level now and I didn't have to change Gbyte BIOS

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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    tRD = Static tRead Value = Performance Level and lower numeric values offer better memory performance.
    Manually setting tRD = 6 at your current FSB should be optimal and safe with your P35 motherboard.
    A P45 motherboard could go as low as tRD = 7 up to about FSB = 420MHz.
    These are general guidelines.

    Manually set Static tRead Value = 6 in your bios, save settings and exit and then immediately reboot into the bios and double check what the manual setting is. When you then boot into windows, run Memset and see if Performance Level has changed, as well as if there are any changes to the primary memory timings, for example 4-4-4-12. If you still have stability issues, change the primary memory timings to 4-5-4-13 or 14 and see if your system does better.

    Don't worry about trying to maximize memory settings right now; first comes stability, followed by memory tweaking once you've reached you "best" stable O/C speeds.

    Read and understand the basic concepts in both of the links I provided in post #10.
    After you have a good basic understanding, the overclocking will make more sense and will be more enjoyable.
    I've been trying to diagnose my stability issues. Since they now occur even when I don't use an over clocking configuration and because I've used bluescreen viewer to look at my bsod results, I've come to the conclusion that my problem is due to one of the 3rd party apps I've installed recently(between now and my original post in time). I'd installed a few apps in search of one with voltage control for my graphics card. I believe one of them caused conflict. So I decided to uninstall and reinstall AMD drivers.

    I even had an issue trying to uninstall CCC. I ended up downloading and installing Ccleaner and Display Driver Uninstall to make sure I really got a good wipe of existing drivers. I think it worked. I reinstalled and am now in the process of seeing if it helps.

    The odd thing to me is that my system would never bsod during my gameplay but it would when I would fullscreen a video stream for when I go to sleep. I usually sleep to some video stream from JTV.

    So I'm back to non overclocking config but a clean driver install to see if I'm back to square 1 :). Which is ok- I'm actually enjoying the process although it is frustrating at times.

    By the way I bought a new video card which is in transit now. I read your advice on the 5800 series and researched that I could effectively double my graphics power with one of those models. I decided to go with the asus version of the 5870. It's not the really really nice one with all the overclocking features but it's got the better than reference cooling sink on it. Anyhow it's supposed to be here on Friday and I can't wait to get it!

    How important are the newer PCI-e generations with regards to video cards? Will I get limited functionality out of my video card due to the p35 ds3l's older PCI-e buss

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