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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    The EasyTune6 Target settings show what settings you are currently running.

    With 8GB of memory, MCH Core voltage might need to be 1.24 - 1.28 or possibly higher.
    When MCH Core settings are too high or too low your system might not be stable or you might have boot loop problems.

    WhoCrashed is useful for viewing BSOD details and you should save the data as an image before the mini-dump files are deleted.
    In many cases the information provided by WhoCrashed is enough to help determine what caused the problem.
    When you run WhoCrashed it will report the information for all mini-dump files that are still on your system but all of the information from several BSOD's will not be visible in one screen image.

    Posting an Memset + SPD screen-shot provides more detailed information about the memory settings for both memory channels.

    HWiNFO is similar to CPUID Hardware Monitor and I no longer use CPUID Hardware Monitor.
    I recommend running HWinFO instead of CPUID Hardware Monitor.
    There are several CPUID Hardware Monitor readings that don't look right:
    • The +12 voltages are grossly inaccurate.
    • The 9o - 11o (C) temperature differences between core 0 and core 1 indicate a possible problem.

    I don't remember seeing any C2D core temperatures with such a large temperature difference.
    I'm not concerned with the minimum core temp values as these can often differ by 5o (C) or somewhat more.
    Your cpu cooler might be loose or making poor contact with your cpu.
    If you remove the cpu cooler you will need to thoroughly clean off all of the thermal grease (aka TIM) and reapply new TIM.

    Your Corsair HX 620 was an excellent power supply but old age might be causing a problem.
    When did you buy your psu?

    Please post a photo of the PC Health Status panel in your bios.
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    profJim,

    The only reason I used HW Monitor is I could not understand the MemSet install; "You must use normal size 96ppp.To change; Office, Right Click, Property, Parameters, Advanced, General, Normal Size". Frankly that Japanese English did not translate to my understanding of English. That's why I used HW Monitor.

    Yes, a few years back I noticed HW Monitor did not display the 12V+ properly. It did not and does not show Core #0 temp either; the temp in core #0 never fluctuates/changes when HW Monitor is running. I remember a few comments back then about that; can't remember if it was HW Monitor or a particular run of the E8400 CPU's? I searched today and did not find any additional info.

    I checked the CPU cooler and it is not loose. The Thermalright base is not push pin, an effort to install/remove and currently is solid.

    I did attempt to download HWiNFO V4.36 from their site; my AV went nuts. I did have to clean a PUP with Malwarebytes; seems many "freeware" utilities are bundled with "Open Candy". Looked on Major Geeks site and they had a HDiNFO V5.5; I do not think it's the same utility, the screen shot looked different. Do you know a known good site for HWiNFO download?

    I purchased the PSU in 08/06. Yup it's elderly but does not run 24/7; maybe 8/5? I did check 3, 5 12 voltage with my multimeter, they are all + except the 5V which floats right at actual +/-.

    I did install Who Crashed. I have copied the text report along with the PSC Health shot you requested. I did not clean the error dump files. I have to agree that my problem is RAM related but not necessarily defective RAM. I had a guy on the Windows 7 Forum tell me to run an extensive RAM test based on the dump files I sent him. I ran all four DIMM's overnight; with 8GB it finished 7 - 8 passes, no errors. Then I ran all DIMM's individually, several passes in slot #1, no errors. Then a known good DIMM in slot 2, 3, 4 several passes, no errors.

    GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue-crash-dump-jpg

    Again I thank you for all your help, I don't want to give-up on this yet,

    MDDI

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MDDI View Post
    profJim,

    My system did crash again this AM. It's frustrating and very strange. It will boot to desktop and stay there, no BSOD. If I browse with IE it may or may not crash; if it does it will not again all day as long as I don't shut down for more than a few hours.

    Obviously setting the MCH Core from 1.1V to 1.2V did not have a positive result. I do have a zip error dump file if you or any wish for me to send it?

    I have attached some of the screen shots you requested. I noticed on the RAM SPD that they are different. The RAM in slots 1 & 3 (channel A) were kit together, RAM in slots 2 & 4 (channel B) kit together. They appear to be programmed different. Although the total frequency is the same, sticks 1 & 3 JEDEC 1 - 3, sticks 2 & 4 JEDEC 1 - 4. Issue???

    I have not installed "Who Crashed" nor HWiNFO. Do you suggest one over the other or both?

    Thanks again for your help and support,

    MDDI
    Yes please attach zip file of the mini dump..(c:\windows\minidump\) Don't worry about installing all that personal preference crap such as, Who Crashed, HWiNFO, or MemSet crap. It won't help you resolve your problem.
    But in the mean time lets do driver verifier... here's how from Windows 7 forums... Driver Verifier - Enable and Disable - Windows 7 Help Forums Good luck..... But methinks off hand either a memory problem or power supply... OH BTW if you can not attach a zip file for download in the post pm me for an email addy to send it to. Some forums are weird that way...
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    MDDI, can you uninstall AVAST for me and see if you still get crashes?

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    WTFMAN,

    Sure, easy to do, I can disable AVAST.

    I will have to wait until the morning. My system will usually boot, go to desktop, will stay there without BSOD. First BSOD will occur after I open IE and mail, will not crash until after browsing for awhile. I get a notification that "IE has unexpectedly quit working", click close = BSOD. It will not typically crash again unless I shut the system down for several hours.

    I have worked all day today without another crash; all seems normal.

    I will disable AVAST tomorrow AM after startup and see what happens.

    Thanks to all for helping!
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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    @MDDI

    Linking to DropBox or other file sharing sites lets you include multiple images in one post, such as the screen-shots I included in post #2. To insert multiple images in one post you use the Insert Image icon for each file where you paste the web address of each image file and uncheck the Retrieve remote file and reference locally box. It's best to use the forum's advanced editor (Go Advanced) feature so that you can preview your post before you submit it.

    You can also upload your dump files to your DropBox account and you can then include a link to one or more files in your Dropbox folder.

    GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue-tweaktown-insert-image-post-screen-png

    Some ram manufacturer's include a disclaimer on their webpage that basically says:
    Rated memory speeds are guaranteed for one 2x2GB memory kit.
    Installing a second identical memory kit might not be able to run a 4x2GB setup at full rated memory speeds.
    In post #10 you reported that the SPD programming for each of your kits is not identical.

    In post #4, I said:
    You might have a problem with the auto-applied MCH Core voltage setting and EasyTune6 will display the current setting.
    With my 2x2GB Mushkin Blackline 1066MHz memory, the optimal MCH Core voltage setting was 1.26 - 1.28 volts. YMMV
    A higher MCH Core setting might eliminate your BSOD problem.

    Right now your memory is running at 1333MHz (4.0 x 333MHz) using the 4.0 System Memory Multiplier. You can quickly and easily underclock your memory to 1066MHz for testing by manually setting the memory multiplier to 3.20 where 3.20 x 333 = 1066MHz. If your system is stable with this setup we can tweak the memory settings so that your ram runs at somewhat higher speeds such as:
    • 1120MHz with 3.2 x 350MHz, and cpu = 2.975GHz using 8.5 x 350MHz
    • 1171MHz with 3.2 x 375MHz, and cpu = 3.000GHz using 8.0 x 375MHz
    • 1280MHz with 3.2 x 400MHz, and cpu = 3.000GHz using 7.5 x 400MHz

    With any of these test setups your overall system performance will be somewhat higher and a very minor increase in Cpu Vcore voltage might be required.

    FWIW, the WhoCrashed information from the first parameter refers to:

    0x41790
    A page table page has been corrupted. On a 64 bit version of Windows, parameter 2 contains the address of the PFN for the corrupted page table page. On a 32 bit version of Windows, parameter 2 contains a pointer to the number of used PTEs, and parameter 3 contains the number of used PTEs
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    profJim,

    I have included a couple things you requested. I have not had time to dedicate hours a day to this. The tech at Mushkin requested I run a stress program called OCCT, it's like a amped up Prime 95 but runs faster. I have not run the full test yet, trying one thing at a time, slowly.

    The screen shot is the start page of OCCT and the Who Crashed dump files. What's interesting is the CPU core temp and the +12V; it mirrors what HW Monitor reported. Wright or wrong I know HW Monitor reported the same way years ago when I put the system together. Core #0 temp (it's static) has never reported and the +12V appears to be reporting on the 1V scale? The +5V displays HW monitor but does not in PC Health. PC Health displays +12V, HW Monitor (and OCCT) does but not correctly. PC Health as does HW Monitor (and OCCT), shows only 1 CPU core temp. MOBO issue?

    Looking back I believe there were two BSOD causes that I mistook for one. My system would crash within a minute of descktop and sometimes when browsing. The first I believe was addressed with raising the DRAM voltage and MCH Core voltage. Currently the DRAM voltage is 1.68V (BIOS), 1.664V (PC Health). MCH Core 1.2 (BIOS), actual? I think the DRAM V is set a little high and the MCH Core a little low as you indicated in your previous reply.

    Right now I'm stable booting to desktop, it will stay there all day without a crash. I believe I should not mess with the RAM voltage yet until the second BSOD cause has been corrected?

    WTFMAN suggested I uninstall AVAST, it does have a Web Shield. I have used AVAST for years and never had issues. I thought about what could cause crashes while browsing; I would receive "Internet Explorer Has Stopped Working" and crash after closing.

    Win 7 installs Defender default, it's supposed to be inactive when a other party AV us installed; is it? Tuesday night I disabled Defender and AVAST before shutdown. All day Wednesday (shutdown night) and all day Thursday (24 hours running), carefully browsing without an active AV, I did not have a crash. So, was it AVAST or a conflict with AVAST & Defender?

    Thursday night I enabled AVAST, Defender still disabled. So far today, Friday AM, I have been using my system for 3 hours, have browsed, has not crashed. I'm going to continue today and tomorrow, Saturday, before I pass judgment. If it crashes; AVAST is gone. If it doesn't, is two days (24 hours running) long enough to say all is good, was Defender & AVAST conflict, or continue testing?

    If all goes well I will then run MemSet, HWiNFO and possibly the OCCT test. Tweaking the RAM voltage will be next.

    GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue-publication1-jpg

    Thanks all,

    MDDI

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    Windows update prompted me today to download and install a new IE v11 security fix.
    Have you installed this update yet?

    Other tests you can run include:

    • run your IE browser for a while, close it, reopen it and repeat this procedure several times
    • using a different web browser
    • using windows Defender alone or using a different A/V program

    There might be a misbehaving driver or program that is corrupting Avast's memory.
    If you run two or more anti-virus programs at the same time they might get in each other's way.
    Only run one A/V program at a time.

    A one hour OCCT or Prime95 is better than nothing, but a 3 - 4 hour or longer test will be a better stress test.
    Why are you running OCCT with Number of Threads = 4 when you have a dual core processor?
    The Number of Threads setting probably doesn't have a major effect on the test results.

    HWiNFO has an optional logging option with a 2000ms (2 second) interval.
    You can change the logging interval to every 5 or 10 seconds when running longer stress tests.
    The default is to log all sensor readings, but you would be most concerned with the voltage and temperature sensor readings.

    It looks like the Core1 temperature sensor is stuck.
    In HWiNFO you can monitor the Core #1 and Core #2 Usage sensors during your stress test.
    Both usage sensors should be at 100% during the stress tests.

    In your bios what are the displayed PC Health Status voltages?

    This is an example of an EP45-UD3P PC Health Status bios screen-shot:

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    Default Re: GA-EP45T-UD3P: Old Board New Issue

    Your current bios version is F7, dated 2009/04/16.

    The Gigabyte download website has a newer F8c beta bios, dated 2009/09/03.
    Gigabyte removes beta bios versions when there is a newer final bios version or there are reported problems with the specific beta bios version.

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...beta-bios.html has a newer GA-EP45T-UD3P beta bios: F8l.
    Stasio posted the following information at ** Official ** Gigabyte UD3 P45 Series -- EP45-UD3 / EP45-UD3R / EP45-UD3P - Page 291, post #7275:
    GA-EP45-UD3P - F11d
    GA-EP45T-UD3P - F8l

    -Fix SMART Command Fail for OCZ Sandforce FW 1.11
    -28.Oct 10
    I didn't check the rest of the thread to see if there was any feedback about the F8l bios.

    It's premature right now to flash to a newer bios, but a newer beta bios might help with stability.
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    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
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    profJim,

    Yes, installed the latest IE security update last night.

    I'm 90% certain that my browsing crash issue was due to Avast & Defender conflict. I disabled Defender Thursday evening, I have not had a BSOD for 48 hours with Avast enabled. I'm not admitting this is resolved yet; I have been surprised before.

    I do feel that I should adjust the MCH Core V, currently set at 1.2V. The DRAM V is probably higher than needed (1.86V in BIOS, 1.664V reported in PC Health). I kept stepping up the DRAM V trying to stop the browsing crash. Maybe 1.24V MCH and 1.62V (1.6V report in PC Health) to start?

    I accept your suggestion to update the BIOS. My board is EP45T-UD3P (rev 1.0). Like you stated it may not be needed yet. When I received the board the BIOS version was F5 or F6; I did flash to F7. I never flashed the latest because it was BETA.

    I did not run OCCT yet, that was a screen shot of the start page for temp/voltage reference to what HW Monitor reported. The Four Core test I believe is the default setting, I did not change it. That utility was suggested by the Mushkin tech.

    I have received advice not just from this forum, others and sources also; TMI. I'm here because I trust TT the most. I have tried to stay focused on one procedure at a time. The Avast test was easy to perform and appears to have been a problem and possibly solved. Only time will tell.

    I have to leave next week and will return May 13th. I have much work and prep before I go. My system appears to be stable now, at least the most stable since I loaded Win 7 over three weeks ago. I can actually use it without screaming and anxiety attacks. I need to work with it for awhile, not on it.

    I am aware other issues exist; core #0 temp reading, +12V reading; they have always been that way so I don't believe they are related to my current major problem. I plan to install/run HWiNFO and Memset at some point. For the time being I would like to be as productive as I can with my PC and quit fiddling with it hours at a time.

    I will continue to update if I have another BSOD. Could we pickup the remaining tests after I return on the 13th?

    As always, appreciate all the help,

    MDDI

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