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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Aww would've been good to have you onboard with the Xeon mod! I'm sure your advice without first-hand experience of the mod will be more than sufficient.

    Loving those LinX scores - the kind of thing I can only dream of atm!

    Did the Prime tests run stable?
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    The 4.10GHz + 912MHz setup easily passed all 3 Prime95 tests.
    The 4.10GHz + 1094MHz configuration isn't quite stable yet.

    Since you've been on vacation, this thread's view count has increased by over 2000 more viewers!!
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Hey all, just ordered this Xeon X5460 beast myself for some serious overclocking :p

    I read several pages but the highest OC I've seen is 4.1Ghz, anyone got it any higher?
    I'am pretty sure the upper limit for theoretical max overclock is something like 500FSB x 9.5 = 4.75Ghz (not talking about world records here ofc), while more realistic (24/7) one is something like 470FSB x 9.5 = 4.46Ghz ~ 4.5Ghz, hope to get it to at least 4.25Ghz (in fact as high as it will go without risking to destroy my motherboard or fry the chip) when I'll get my hands on it :p<style id="pageBrightnessCustomCSS">body{zoom:106%!import ant;}</style>

    btw, for those interested in LGA771 chips:
    List of Intel LGA 771 Xeon Processors + Current Prices

    prices are a bit optimistic I should say, but if you find a good deal you could snatch one for close to that, especially with X5460.
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Hi SmOgER, welcome to the thread. I have seen you on the overclockers forum - are you currently running an Asus motherboard? I can't say that the prof doesn't have much experience with Asus but this is the Gigabyte section of the forum and profJim is a Gigabyte expert IMHO but I'm sure he'll help you out if he can.

    I'm not sure what the max overclock achievable is but we're on the long and usually (in my case) slow journey to find out the most stable overclock our systems are capable of.

    We've determined a few things so far and profJim is still taking me through the basics of overclocking so if you are more advanced than me, feel free to make your own thread, whilst continuing to read and contribute here whenever you like!
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Ah ok, sorry for intrusion hehe, given the amount of replies I thought this thread became more about the X5460 itself and it's overclocking results. I do have an ASUS motherboard tho (P5QC) :P

    Well, the 500FSB is usually the limit for quads on consumer motherboards and 9.5 is obviously the maximum possible multiplier for X5460, give it a bit more room for stability and margin of error and we have 470FSB. So that's where those numbers came from. Of course every chip is different and it's down to luck partly, but I would imagine with most decent P35/P45 motherboards you should be able to get close to that, it's mainly a matter of vcore and temperatures range you are willing to go most of the time. For me, anything till 80C TJunction would be considered OK for this chip, as it's about the point when the TCase reaches it's max, and many many chips, especially laptops, reach their Tcase specification temps quite often and nothing happens to them in several years time. But that's me, many people would freak out seeing temps even above 60C :D<style id="pageBrightnessCustomCSS">body{zoom:106%!import ant;}</style>

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Even the best P35 motherboards will probably have problems with quad core processors running with the FSB about 475MHz or higher.
    With higher end P45 motherboards, you should be able to go higher.

    From: AnandTech | Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P - P45 at its Finest, page 6:

    Q9550 4GB Results
    Our maximum overclock on air-cooling with the Q9550 resulted in a 4.25GHz clock speed at a respectable 500MHz FSB with our 4GB G.Skill memory kit set to DDR2-1000 at 5-5-4-15 timings. The primary voltages settings were 1.36V NB, 1.38V VTT, 1.70V PLL, 2.00V VDimm, and 1.425V for the CPU. We tried to run the memory higher, but could not get stability at the DDR2-1200 mark in Nero Recode or Crysis. Vdroop was approximately -.02V with Load Line Calibration (LLC) enabled and -.035V with it disabled at idle. Under load Vdroop was -.025V with LLC enabled and -.05V with it disabled.

    Q9550 8GB Results
    We were able to reach the same 8.5x500 for a 4.25GHz clock speed with 8GB at DDR2-1000 with 5-5-5-15 timings. However, our voltage settings changed to 1.38V NB, 1.40V VTT, 1.70V PLL, 2.06V VDimm, and 1.450V for the CPU to compensate for the additional load on the MCH. Under load Vdroop was -.02V with LLC enabled and -.05V with it disabled.

    E8600 Results
    Our maximum overclock on air-cooling with the E8600 came with a blistering 4.40GHz clock speed at a fully stable 550MHz FSB rate. Our 4GB G.Skill memory kit allowed us to reach DDR2-1100 at 5-5-5-18 settings. We used the following voltage settings: 1.40V NB, 1.36V VTT, 1.72V PLL, 2.08V VDimm, and 1.500V for the CPU. We had to drop to 8x500 to get 8GB stable while keeping VDimm below 2.1V, PLL below 1.80V, and NB below 1.50V. Vdroop was approximately -.01V with Load Line Calibration (LLC) enabled and -.025V with it disabled at idle. Under load Vdroop was -.02V with LLC enabled and -.04V with it disabled.

    E8600 Additional Results
    We knew we had a good E8600, so we pulled out our CoolIT Systems Freezone Elite kit and decided to see how far we could get on this board. We ended up at 5GHz with a 10x CPU multiplier and FSB set to 500. We installed 8GB of memory and ran it at DDR2-1000 with 5-5-5-15 timings. We used the following voltage settings: 1.42V NB, 1.40V VTT, 1.76V PLL, 2.04V VDimm, and 1.5675V (1.550V was stable after raising NB to 1.46V) for the CPU. This is the first time we have reached a stable 5GHz with this processor in a P45 board. Vdroop was similar to our results above.

    Thoughts
    We have absolutely no concerns about recommending this board for 24/7 500FSB+ use. This board overclocks quad-core chips just as easily as it does dual-core offerings, which is a feat that most P45 boards cannot accomplish. Depending on your processor choice, the Northbridge (MCH) and PLL voltages are two prime settings open for reduction. We only utilize retail processors so it is up to luck if we get a good processor or not for overclocking.

    We ultimately ran our E8600 at 585FSB stable in all our applications except for Adobe Premier Pro 4.0; it would constantly hang at any FSB setting above 550. We also tried to verify GIGABYTE’s claim of DDR2-1366 support but our 2GB DDR2-1250 memory kit was unable to get above 1300. However, this is the first board that ran it stable at 1300 so we think it is just a limitation of our memory kit - or reluctance to push more than 2.4V into it.

    In regards to voltage regulation, we think the GA-EP45-UD3P has excellent voltage output. We checked all the major voltages with a DMM and found very little variance between what you select in the BIOS and what the board actually outputs. The VTT, PLL, DIMM, and other voltages are accurate and stable across the spectrum. They show no real variances between idle and load states; if anything, we would see a small +.005V rise at times. As discussed, there is line droop on VCore when switching from idle to load situations. However, we found it was not substantial enough to affect stability or overclocking capabilities.


    As I recall, the recommendation in our forum for PLL was not to go higher 1.60 volts.
    Some of the TT Q9550/Q9650 4.20GHz or higher threads were able to lower several volt settings by tweaking the Reference Volt settings and in some occasions modifying two of the Clock Skew settings.
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post

    From: AnandTech | Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P - P45 at its Finest, page 6:
    Q9550 4GB Results
    Our maximum overclock on air-cooling with the Q9550 resulted in a 4.25GHz clock speed at a respectable 500MHz FSB with our 4GB G.Skill memory kit set to DDR2-1000 at 5-5-4-15 timings. The primary voltages settings were 1.36V NB, 1.38V VTT, 1.70V PLL, 2.00V VDimm, and 1.425V for the CPU. We tried to run the memory higher, but could not get stability at the DDR2-1200 mark in Nero Recode or Crysis. Vdroop was approximately -.02V with Load Line Calibration (LLC) enabled and -.035V with it disabled at idle. Under load Vdroop was -.025V with LLC enabled and -.05V with it disabled.



    So like I said, it's 500FSB for a quad. And if your MB isn't one of the best, or simply one of the dozens of voltages needs to be clinically tweaked, or the chip doesn't like it, or whatever the random or small the reason is, not all people can reach that, but yeah that's a theoretical maximum overclock. And let's not forget that Q9550 is worse than X5460, as it's multiplier is 8.5 as opposed to 9.5. So if motherboard can handle Q9550 @ 4.25Ghz it's very likely it will handle X5460 @ 4.75Ghz as well. Performance wise I believe that's equal to Q6600 @ ~5.4Ghz if that chip could handle that (easier to understand the potential that way haha), so it's pretty damn impressive. Way faster than Phenom II X4 975 3.6Ghz and probably equal to ​Phenom II X6 1100T (with all 6 cores fully utilized), which is the fastest processor for original AM3 socket and was pretty popular not long ago.

    I don't take that as granted, but I think these Xeons might be cherry picked as well, so vcore shouldn't be a big problem neither.

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    EDIT: Actually it might be even an understatement about that Phenom 1100T. Hard to say for sure, but it's possible the overclocked Xenon is even faster than that and digging into Sandy Bridge territory.
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    Cool Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    @SmOgER

    Right now it looks like you are the TweakTown Asus guru.
    Why? Because there are very few (if any?) forum members with Asus questions or answers.

    I'm going over to the dark side in about 10 days when I receive my virtually brand new Asus P5Q Premium motherboard.
    It looks like it was once one of the higher end Asus P45 motherboard models and it's layout and features are certainly out of the ordinary.

    The question is will it be able to fly with the eagles or will it turn out to be a turkey. Time will tell.
    I'm curious to see if the ASUS Drive Xpert is a useful feature or if it's just hype.

    My goal is to see how close I can come to AnandTech's Q9550/EP45-UD3P overclock with 8GB of memory.
    I'm not ruling out a 771 mod setup with a Xeon cpu, but my primary goal is for my system to boot with 9.0 x 601MHz = 5.40GHz.
    Stability is not a requirement, I just need to boot into windows as quickly as possible.

    The first thing that I'll do is to flash using the latest Asus standard bios and then I'll need to do some research to see if there there are any Asus utilities that I should avoid using. I won't be doing any bios flashing in windows.

    My P35-DS4 motherboard has been a joy to work with, but now it's time to see how much better I can do with my Q9650 and a higher end P45 motherboard.

    I've already downloaded all of the utilities and bios versions from the Asus website.
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Yep, that mobo is certainly from the top shelf. It's a shame it doesn't support DDR3 tho...

    As for the overclock, the anandtech hit 500FSB with Q9550 I believe, not 600FSB.
    600FSB is really no joke with a quad and most of the time the mobo won't even post at these settings. I would imagine you would be much better off with X5470 and it's 10 multi. You could sell your Q9550 for much more than these Xeons cost and yet they are made from a cherry picked silicone (most probably).

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    My comment about booting with a 600MHz FSB was not serious.

    From what I've seen recently, it looks like the average price for a Q9650 is about $150 and a similar Xeon cpu would cost about $50 or less.

    This could be a great deal for someone who wants a high end quad core for an upgrade but doesn't want to spend a lot of money.

    Luke has been having some strange stability issues with moderate overclocks with his 771 mod setup and I wonder if his current lower end motherboard is part of the problem. I too have a low end P35-DS3L and its a great motherboard for a low cost setup. When I bought an E6300 (R0) cpu several years ago, I was disappointed that it's stock 2.80GHz cpu speed could only be overclocked to 3.60GHz on the P35-DS3L. It's possible that we are asking too much from a budget motherboard. When Luke gets back from his vacation he will starting over with a higher end motherboard. We will see if his new motherboard helps him with overclocking his Xeon cpu.

    From Silicon or Silicone: Whats the Difference | Silicon Chips Silicone Implants -- livescience.com:

    It may come as a surprise, but silicon and silicone are two very different things.

    In short, silicon is a naturally occurring chemical element, whereas silicone is a synthetic substance.

    Silicon is the 14th element on the periodic table. It's a metalloid, meaning it has properties of both metals and nonmetals, and is the second most abundant element in the Earth's crust, after oxygen.

    Silicon readily bonds with oxygen and is rarely found in nature in its pure form. You've likely seen silicon as silicon dioxide or silica, better known as quartz, which is the most common component of sand.

    Silica also comes in other mineral forms, such as flint, jasper and opal. When silicon and oxygen mix with reactive metals, the result is a class of minerals called silicates, which includes granite, feldspar and mica.

    Silicon has many industrial uses: As silica, silicon is a key ingredient in bricks, concrete and glass. In its silicate form, the element is used to make enamels, pottery and ceramics.

    Elemental silicon is a major player in modern electronics because it's an ideal semiconductor of electricity. When heated into a molten state, silicon can be formed into semi-conductive wafers, to serve as the base for integrated circuits (microchips).

    In fact, Silicon Valley, the southern region of the San Francisco Bay Area, earned its name due to the high concentration of computer and electronics companies in the area producing silicon-based semiconductors and chips.

    Silicone, by contrast, is a synthetic polymer made up of silicon, oxygen and other elements, most typically carbon and hydrogen. Silicone is generally a liquid or a flexible, rubberlike plastic, and has a number of useful properties, such as low toxicity and high heat resistance. It also provides good electrical insulation.

    In the medical field, silicone can be found in implants, catheters, contact lenses, bandages and a variety of other things. You can also find silicone in a number of personal care items, including shampoos, shaving cream, personal lubricants and sex toys.

    Due to its high heat resistance, silicone makes up a lot of kitchenware, such as oven mitts, tongs and pan handles; silicone's non-stick properties also make it useful for cookware coatings. Additionally, the material's heat resistance and slipperiness make it an ideal lubricant for automotive parts (as a lubricating spray or grease).

    In other industries, silicone is commonly used as a sealant for watertight containers (e.g., aquariums) and plumbing pipes.

    And, like silicon, silicone is important in electronics — it's used to make casings that can shield sensitive devices from electrical shocks and other hazards.
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    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
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    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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