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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Hey, I just joined up because of this thread after sitting here reading through its entirety.
    Thank you for posting up all this information/test logs, I will be referring to this along with a few other threads while overclocking this X5460 I picked up.

    If you guys want I can post up my results, we will see what I can get too with a Coolermaster 212 Evo.... (don't laugh).. I am still waiting to find a good deal on a closed loop cooler.

    I have been running a pin modded Q6700 @ 3.33ghz in a Dell Studio 0m017g for the last 9 months, my temps can get up to 62-67 MAX while gaming (I have speedstep off, Idles around 56-60) however heat increase happens when my room is seriously like... 78+ degree's... it's a freaking hot box up here......
    I am switching to the X5460 because I picked up a EVGA 790i SLI FTW (with one bent pin and a broken RAM clip) for $30!!!

    I would love it if I could hit 4.0, I feel like this board will give me a good shot at it (it supports DDR3) one question I have for profJim, what cooler are you using to run that Q9650 at 4.10ghz? (my current cooler would melt like solder lol).

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Hi Evan, welcome to the forum.

    I'm using the Cooler Master Seidon 120XL AIO cooler in my HAF XB computer case.
    Some of my Prime95 and LinX stress testing was done when the room temperature was 80o(F) and cpu core temperatures ranged from 65o - 80o(C).

    Earlier Nvidia based motherboards like the 650i and 680i frequently had very high NB and motherboard temperatures and this might be an issue with your motherboard. Sata ssd and hard drive performance with Nvidia based boards will probably be inferior to my P35 Intel sata2 performance.

    My best guesstimate is that you probably won't notice any difference between 3.75GHz and and 4.00GHz cpu speeds.
    Feel free to post your o/c results in this thread.


    This is a picture of my cpu cooling setup:

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-cm-seidon-120xl-haf-xb-cooling-setup-p1080284-crop-jpg-jpg

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    **edit** The model name should be 120XL in the picture, not XL120.
    Last edited by profJim; 06-30-2014 at 03:12 PM. Reason: model name in the picture
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
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    Cool Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Check out the Scythe Mugen 4 cpu cooler.
    It is MASSIVELY HUGE.
    It is not for systems that have very tall memory heat spreaders.
    HardOCP includes it in their AIO cooler reviews because of its high performance and much lower price, cost is $40 - $50.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Wins View Post
    .... we will see what I can get too with a Coolermaster 212 Evo.... (don't laugh).. I am still waiting to find a good deal on a closed loop cooler.

    ....(my current cooler would melt like solder lol).
    I wouldn't dismiss your 212 EVO so quickly.
    Check out Scythe Mugen 4 Review | techPowerUp and see how your CM 212 EVO compares with the Mugen 4 and Seidon 120XL coolers.

    Add a matching 2nd fan to the EVO or the Mugen and you will probably see an additional 2o - 3o(C) drop in core temperatures under high heat and load conditions.



    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    profJim, what vcore you are running at this Q9650? These temps seems a bit high to me considering you are on water. I admit I don't have experience with liquid cooling, but blowing hot air back inside the case (from radiator) doesn't look right to me. You have intake air which is as warm as radiator.
    Last edited by SmOgER; 06-30-2014 at 07:24 PM.

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Common sense says that you are right, reality proves the opposite.
    Many users report that there can be 1o or 2o(C) lower vcore temperatures when the "cooler" room air is drawn through the radiator INTO the case.

    This too bothered me and my initial setup exhausted the radiator's heat out the back of the case.
    With this setup, cooling performance was very good and unfortunately my AOI cooler was as loud as I expected with fan speeds in the 2000+ range.

    A month or two later I removed each fan and reversed the air flow direction so that the room's air was now drawn in to the computer case. With the new fan setup running Prime95 and LinX stress tests, core temperatures were slightly lower. I normally keep my room temperature in the 67o - 69o(F) range.

    With this new setup I was amazed at how much quieter the fan noise was under full load!!

    My HAF XB case has two unobstructed front panel 120mm fans.
    The fan on the right front is exhausting air out of the case and the left front fan is blowing room air into the case.
    I also have a top mounted 200mm fan exhausting air out of the case.
    The lower case compartment has two 80mm Arctic Cooling fans to help cool my ssd and hard drive.
    Overall my case has a slightly positive pressure setup to help cut down on dust accumulation.

    Another thought, even with excellent airflow through your case, do you want this heated interior air trying to cool your radiator?

    Look at my posted HWiNFO64 screen-shots and you can see the maximum core temperatures during my tests.
    Luke's "reported" temperatures really bothered me in the beginning, but this might be related to the TjMax 80 versus 100 issue with his Xeon cpu.


    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Yeah, after a bit of research about water cooling I found out that indeed this solution is better, since it keeps the circulation going by cooling the radiator. I deleted my post but apparently you were writing a reply to it already.

    With your corrent setup it's best to have exhaust on the top of the case.

    btw, what vcore you are running it at?

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Your deleted post brought up good questions that I'm sure many others have thought about.
    With your permission I can restore your post and you can re-edit it if you want.

    With the horizontal layout of my case, I wanted the inlet tube to the water pump to be at the bottom of the radiator. Technically almost all AIO water cooling setups are sealed systems. Over time coolant can apparently evaporate and I prefer that any air bubbles are in the exhaust tube of the water pump. I don't see this as a significant consideration. For aesthetic reasons, I would have preferred that the radiator's tubes were next to the side of the case.
    So what if my current tube routing impedes air flow by an additional 0.314159%.

    **edit**
    Vcore settings in the 4GHz range for my setup are in the range 1.37500 - 1.38750 volts while testing for stability for my Q9650.

    Within 10 days my other system will be running an air cooled Q9550 with an EP45-UD3P rev 1.1 motherboard.
    My Q9650 cpu will move into an Asus P5Q Premium motherboard.
    Last edited by profJim; 07-01-2014 at 01:15 AM.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Your deleted post brought up good questions that I'm sure many others have thought about.
    With your permission I can restore your post and you can re-edit it if you want.
    Sure, go ahead. ;)




    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    **edit**
    Vcore settings in the 4GHz range for my setup are in the range 1.37500 - 1.38750 volts while testing for stability for my Q9650.

    Within 10 days my other system will be running an air cooled Q9550 with an EP45-UD3P rev 1.1 motherboard.
    My Q9650 cpu will move into an Asus P5Q Premium motherboard.
    That's interesting, cause the vcore isn't really that high.

    I'am running mine 65nm Q6600 at crazy 1.55v vcore (I don't take no as answer, and that was the only way it would make 3.3Ghz since one core was constantly failing on prime95, it was barely stable on stock clock with 1.325v vid, lol) with a simple CM TX3 air cooler, but the temps still don't exceed 80C. That's why I'am so confident I can push those 45nm chips to 4Ghz-4.5Ghz without destroying them on air. Can't wait for this X5460 to arrive and see how it goes. :)
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    WARNING!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmOgER View Post
    I'am running mine 65nm Q6600 at crazy 1.55v vcore (I don't take no as answer, and that was the only way it would make 3.3Ghz since one core was constantly failing on prime95, it was barely stable on stock clock with 1.325v vid, lol) with a simple CM TX3 air cooler, but the temps still don't exceed 80C. That's why I'am so confident I can push those 45nm chips to 4Ghz-4.5Ghz without destroying them on air. Can't wait for this X5460 to arrive and see how it goes. :)
    OK, now I get it, we're dealing with an extremophile.
    Most of us are mesophiles or neutrophiles.

    From Extremophile - Wikipedia
    An extremophile is an organism that thrives in physically or geochemically extreme conditions that are detrimental to most life on Earth. In contrast, organisms that live in more moderate environments may be termed mesophiles or neutrophiles.
    Clearly "live long and prosper" doesn't apply to your cpu.
    Your motto seems to be: Go for the gusto now and the hell with tomorrow.
    I'm not being critical; different strokes for different folks.

    Are you familiar with degredation of electrical components due to electromigration?

    From Electromigration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Electromigration is the transport of material caused by the gradual movement of the ions in a conductor due to the momentum transfer between conducting electrons and diffusing metal atoms. The effect is important in applications where high direct current densities are used, such as in microelectronics and related structures. As the structure size in electronics such as integrated circuits (ICs) decreases, the practical significance of this effect increases.
    Electromigration decreases the reliability of chips (integrated circuits (ICs)). It can cause the eventual loss of connections or failure of a circuit. Since reliability is critically important for space travel, military purposes, anti-lock braking systems, medical equipment like Automated External Defibrillators and is even important for personal computers or home entertainment systems, the reliability of chips (ICs) is a major focus of research efforts.



    Please create a detailed hardware list in the System Specs portion of your
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    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    WARNING!!!
    There are a whole bunch of $10 words in this post.

    OK, now I get it, we're dealing with an extremophile.
    Most of us are mesophiles or neutrophiles.

    From Extremophile - Wikipedia

    Clearly "live long and prosper" doesn't apply to your cpu.
    Your motto seems to be: Go for the gusto now and the hell with tomorrow.
    I'm not being critical; different strokes for different folks.

    Are you familiar with degredation of electrical components due to electromigration?


    Yea, that's on extreme side I guess.

    Yet still, these 65nm chips are extremely durable, and as for Q6600, only voltages above 1.55v are believed to considerably shorten the lifespan of it. How many stories have you heard about failed 65nm C2Qs due to high voltages? I bet not many, if at all. That's quite a long time I've been running it like that, and still no problems whatsoever. Besides, now that we have these LGA771 adapters, these chips are reaaaally dirt cheap to replace. Even for QX9770 there is a great alternative - X5470. It doesn't come with unlocked multiplier, but x10 is good for up to 5Ghz, and that's obviously more than enough.

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