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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    ok i will try this at the night because i have to work now (i work from the pc).


    i kinda dont want to put my pc to hibernation in general, also i would like to make my pc 100% working without silly problems like this.


    exactly that... i have to pull the battery EACH TIME or it wont post...

    333 fsb? ALL GOOD, any higher? NO GO (restart problem) :p

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Done what you asked and found a solution...

    let me start by telling you that windows only boots if i put 1.20v (or more) at the North Bridge. everything else can be on the "stock" volts (except cpu ofc).

    ok, lets say i booted and done a restart or a shutdown (so the system when it turns on again it DOES NOT post...).
    solution: i can close the pc (like pressing the big button for 5 seconds) and then close the switch at the back side of the PSU, wait 10 seconds (more than enough for the green led to shut off actually) and open the switch again and after that open the pc also! the system posts normally and goes into windows fine! at the next shutdown/restart i have to repeat the same process if i want the pc to post!

    how do you think i should proceed now? any chance i can solve this strange thing?
    in a while i am going to sleep and i will let the pc running on prime95 for 8+ hours to check if the overclock is stable also.

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    You are not going to like this but your power supply might be failing.

    Can you borrow a good quality power supply to test with?

    I've seen quite a few systems with "strange" boot problems and at times the problem was magically fixed when the system was tested with a different power supply.

    If you can't find a solution by searching the web my desperation approach would be to re-flash your bios using the most recent unmodded bios for your system that doesn't have any Xeon microcode updates.

    Is your current bios one that was originally modified by Ket?

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    let me start by telling you that prime95 was fine for 6 hours but memtest had 2k errors in 2 passes!
    thats another thing i dont understand... because with the previous cpu at the exact same settings (but 1.10 NB voltage) memtest showed 0 errors! also 0 errors without OC.

    is it possible that the new cpu is in a way "problematic" or damaged?

    yeah that thought (PSU) crossed my mind, but i cant understand it because with the old cpu, (q6600) that draws more power, it was fine on the same kind of overclock (same fsb etc).
    sadly i cant test with another psu :(

    if i flash the bios without any Xeon microcode then Xeon will not work correct, it will miss instructions and report false temps etc... am i wrong?

    no the bios is original, can i use one from "Ket"? i dont see my motherboard listed there.

    now that you mentioned it... i look at the differences of P5Q Turbo and P5QD Turbo (the second one is mine).
    the only difference i see in photos (specs are the same) is:
    1)mine has a black thingy in the 4 of the 8 pins of cpu power (even though i have plugged in all 8 pins for years now...).
    2) mine has 3 more capacitors behind the VRM's AND 3 more at the bottom of the board (left in the picture).
    3) and maybe one little extra chip above the sata connectors (1cm right of them in the picture).
    can i bother you to take a look?

    also i see that the latest bios for both was released on the same date, with mine being a little bigger (probably some more functions?).

    so that means my board is probably a little better?
    do you think i should use his bios for P5Q Turbo? also why is there a black thingy in the other 4 cpu power pins?
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Your Xeon cpu might be damaged, but the only way to check this would be to test with another E5450 or to install your cpu in another system. The fact that your Q6600 setup draws more power doesn't mean that you power supply is OK, even though logic seems to indicate that your power supply is OK.

    It's possible that there is a bent or damaged cpu socket pin or one or more of the cpu's contact pads are damaged and this might not affect your Q6600 but it might cause a problem with your E5450 cpu. Another possibility is that the LGA771 to 775 adapter circuit sticker is not properly installed or it might be damaged.

    Flashing with a standard bios that doesn't have the required Xeon microcode is not a solution, rather it's a test to see if something might be wrong with your modded bios. I would never use a bios from a different motherboard model unless I first did a binary comparison of both files to verify that their contacts are identical. It's not safe to assume that different bioses for similar motherboards are identical even if the file sizes and release dates are identical. You run the risk of bricking your motherboard if you try to flash it with the wrong bios file. Ket's bios mods were very popular years ago but if your motherboard model isn't in his list it is best if you only flash with a bios that is known to be compatible with your system.

    I think that you're referring to the plastic cover that protects four unused connectors when a 4-pin cpu power cord is used in the 8-pin EPS12V cpu connector. If you look closely at the 8-pin connector you will see that that left and right halves are not identical. I think that the small black cap is to prevent uses from trying to use the wrong half of the connector when they are using a 4-pin power cable.

    I'll be going out for the day and might not be able to get back to you until tomorrow.

    Your best bet for now is to make sure that your E5450 set passes all of the extended stress tests at stock cpu speeds.
    Even if you and I have identical hardware in our systems there would probably be some different bios settings for each of our systems, even with no overclock.
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    thank you for your effort and help!

    sadly i cant test my e5450 elsewhere, the pins in the motherboard are fine (i checked them prior to installation), the e5450 is "hard modded", this is the one: Intel socket 775 Xeon E5450 SLANQ or SLBBM Quad Core 3.0GHz 12MB 1333MHz works on LGA 775 mainboard no need adapter-in Processors from Computer & Office on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group

    if the possibilities are that the chip is faulty, do you think that i should ask for a partial refund and keep the e5450 at stock settings? 2 bad because that overclock is exactly what i needed to be able to keep my system for another year (gaming wise).

    at stock settings (even though i leave nothing on Auto as you can see) the system passes both prime95 (9 hours) and memtest (5hours).

    i will wait for your return ofc :) (have fun whatever you do!).


    do you think a "re-seat" of the cpu might help? ( i have tried the rams).

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    You're welcome.

    Re-seating the cpu might work, it's worth a try.

    You could contact the seller and see if they would send you a replacement cpu to see if this fixes the problem.
    Keeping your current cpu and asking for a partial refund is an option, but I wouldn't be happy with this solution, it's up to you if you feel that this is your best option.

    Another option would be to buy a Q9550 or Q9650 cpu, but this would probably be more expensive.
    Overclocking my Q9550 and Q9650 systems to 4.0GHz was straight forward in my P45 and P35 systems, but I'm running both systems with somewhat lower settings due to the age of my systems.

    I did a web search using: e5450 can't overclock but didn't come up anything useful.

    I didn't have any luck searching for P5QD Turbo reviews to see if there were any known overclocking issues.

    Using your system at its current 3.0GHz stock settings will provide decent performance and running at 3.60GHz will not provide a 20% performance increase. I'm not a gamer so I don't know how much 20% higher cpu speeds would help. I need to move my Sapphire 480 Nitro+ video card to my win10 P45 system to see how much better graphics benchmarks are with my 2560 x 1440 screen. My GTX 460 video card doesn't do well with video benchmarks with the larger screen. It will be fun to see how well my ancient system does with DX12 video benchmarks.
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    sadly to send it back i would have to pay the shipping costs, and even then i probably wouldnt get a full refund (i bought it for 20$ before 3 months, it arrived late :p ) and the whole process would take many months (send it back, get refund order another, that might even be bad like this one, and arrive to me).

    q9560 and q9650 are kinda expensive for this old system (i dont want to put much money into it).

    i run another memtest for 9 hours (5 full passes) at stock settings (using my slower ram's "SPD"), 0 errors.
    i plan to run prime95 again for 8+hours (tomorrow at the same time i will have the results).


    is it possible that the CPU is responsible for memtest errors? but at the same time be stable 6hours at prime95?

    i am gonna try re-seating the cpu...

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    i re-seated the cpu, it seems the "modded" cuts where not "Accurate" and the cpu was kinda "forced" into the socket and not actually centered. so i took a knife and made one of them a little bigger and now the cpu sits perfectly, like my Q6600 used to!
    also it seems that when i installed the cooler the thermal paste didnt cover the whole area, and thats the reason i had higher (up to 8c) temps on Core_1, now its only 3c away from the rest of the cores!
    all good with that...

    now the only thing left is to overclock it (it will have to wait till night cause i again have to work these hours) and check again how it behaves regarding:
    A) North Bridge voltage and strange windows errors.
    B) the problem with warm restart/shutdown.
    C) memtest errors (when overclocked).
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    With a cpu that isn't properly seated I can see where there could be problems where one or more socket pins didn't make good contact with its corresponding contact pad on the bottom of the cpu.

    For years it was recommended to use Memtest86+, not the other, original version of Memtest.
    I used to run Memtest86+ for 24 hours and if there weren't any errors I would not run it again unless I installed new memory.

    You haven't said which of the three Prime95 tests you have run; Small FFT, Large FFT and Blend. I always run each test for at least 8 hours, one test at a time.

    Good luck!
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