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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Q9650 running at 4.00GHz:

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-prime95-15-minute-fft-sensor-test-p35-ds4-q9650-4-005ghz-9-445mhz-2014-05-16-jpg
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Right. next time I'm free I'll try and get the TIM paste applied properly and then download Real Temp as well to see if that makes a difference.

    I have no idea why my temps are so much higher than they could be :( I even used a small brush and got in-between all the individual fins of the cooler!

    I will start adding temperature screenshots to my tests for your critical appraisal too.
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Hi profJim,

    I don't mean to ask you to repeat yourself but am I right in thinking (from the 2008 Intel IDF presentation link you sent) that for your Q9650, the target Tj = 100C and in your screenshot shows CoreTemp Tj. max = 100C

    For my X5460 the target Tj = 85C but my CoreTemp Tj. max = 100C - Would changing it to match my target Tj not make sense?

    Revision is taking its toll on me so please forgive me if I'm being stupid!

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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    No you are not being stupid.

    For my X5460 the target Tj = 85C but my CoreTemp Tj. max = 100C - Would changing it to match my target Tj not make sense?
    Not make sense?
    Give me a break, couldn't you just say "Would it now make sense to change my TJMax setting from 100o to 85o?"
    I hate double negatives and dealing with RealTemp forces me to think in double negatives because as core temperatures rise, the distance away from TJMax gets smaller!!

    The first "test" you should run is the RealTemp Calibration test with:
    1. TJMax left at it's current 100o(C) "default" setting
    2. Cpu Host Frequency = 333MHz, the stock FSB
    3. Cpu Multiplier = 6.0, the lowest it can go
    4. Cpu Core voltage = 1.10 volts
    5. With your system at the desktop, your core voltages should be about 7o(C) higher than your room temperature, but they won't be.
    6. Save a screen-shot of the settings about 10 - 15 minutes after your system has been doing nothing but sitting there.
    7. After this idle test, you can run the RealTemp Sensor Movement Test and save the screen results.


    Now it's time to change your 100o TJMax setting to 85o(C):
    1. Click the RealTemp Settings button at the bottom of the window.
    2. Now that you are at the Advanced Calibration Settings window, click on the Set TJMax button.
    3. There should now be four boxes with "100" in each box; change each of these to your new 85 TJMax value.
    4. Click the Apply button at the bottom of the window and then click the OK button.

    Now RealTemp will use the new 85o TJMax setting.

    It probably isn't necessary, but I would reboot your system and it will be beneficial to repeat the 6.0 x 333MHz (2.0GHz) standard RealTemp sensor tests before you test at 3.0GHz and higher.

    The attached screen-shot combines two test results from my system:
    1. Running a 15 minute Prime95 In-Place Large FFT test at 4.0GHz where RealTemp was the only monitoring program that was running.
    2. The second test repeats the first test, except this time RealTemp and HWiNFO were running at the same time.


    Tomorrow I'm going to repeat both of these tests after I lower my TJMax setting from 100o(C) to 85o(C) where I expect that RealTemp will now report lower core temperatures but HWiNFO will report normal or near normal core temperatures.

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-q9650-4-0ghz-prime95-fft-15-minutes-realtemp-hwinfo-2014-05-18-jpg

    Interesting, the RealTemp maximum temperature readings were more consistent than HWiNFO, even though the minimum and idle temperatures still show a little weirdness. CoreTemp and HWiNFO showed similar but minimally different core temperature results in my previous tests.

    Core Temp also lets us change the TJMax value(s) but I didn't find a similar setting in HWiNFO.

    Running multiple temperature/voltage monitoring programs might lead to incorrect results.
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    The screen-shot shows the reported temperatures with TJMax = 85o(C) in RealTemp, but HWiNFO and Core Temp are using the 100o(C) TJMax setting.

    Did RealTemp really lower any cpu core temperatures? No, it's only displaying corrected temperatures.

    Can RealTemp (or Core Temp) improve cpu thermal protection by tweaking the displayed results? No, it just "looks" that way.
    The RealTemp documentation discusses this.

    A web search using: intel cpu thermal protection provides links for more information.

    BTW with an air or water cooled cpu heatsink, it is impossible for the any cpu core temperatures to really be lower than the ambient temperature.

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-tjmax-85-degrees-realtemp-q9650-jpg


    Later tonight I will post a screen-shot for the Q9650 15 minute, Prime95 in-place Large FFT temperature results with RealTemp using TJMax = 85o(C). I predict that the results will look really cool.
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    Sorry for the double-negative!

    I've barely lifted my head from the books to get home and make any progress - I really appreciate all the tests you're doing to help me out!

    I'll do a RealTemp calibration test as soon as I get the chance (although I'll have to re-apply TIM and mount my cooler again first) - Do you think it will make a difference if I apply the TIM to the cooler first rather than the CPU? I can hold a ruler next to the cooler easier to get an accurate grain of rice shape.

    I will download RealTemp but I think you can also change Tj max in CoreTemp in the CoreTemp.ini file by changing the TjMaxOffset - I could try that too?
    Looking forward to making progress once these exams are over!
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    In my P35-DS3L system with an E6300 (R0) cpu, I closed Core Temp, changed TjMaxOffset=0,0; to TjMaxOffset=-10,-10; in the INI file and re-opened Core Temp. Both of my core temperatures displayed 10o lower, but TjMax still displayed 100. When I clicked on Core Temp's Options and Adjust offsets tabs, the Temperature offset screen displayed -10 in two boxes.

    I'll stay with RealTemp.

    When I entered -50 for the Core Temp offset, Core Temp showed that my core temperatures are -10 and -12o(C). Pretty cool!!

    I disagree with the TIM experts who say that it's not necessary for TIM to cover the full surface of the cpu's IHS surface. Most of the heat is directly above the physical cores under the IHS, no argument from me. The attached cooling tubes cover the full width of the bottom of the cpu cooler and common sense tells me that more contact area is better than less, and I'm aware that common sense isn't very common and sometimes it doesn't make sense.

    I recently reapplied TIM with my AIO cpu water cooling block and used a different technique. I used one finger in a plastic bag to spread the thinnest possible TIM coating on the top of the cpu IHS. I did not spread TIM to each of the top edges of the cpu and left about 3mm uncovered at all four top edges of the cpu's IHS. I noticed an immediate improvement with lower and more even core temperatures. Some TIMs will spread easier than others.

    I don't want to touch the cleaned surfaces with my fingers, so a ruler would not work for me. A better solution might be to use 100mm (4 inche) paper that is as wide as your cpu where you can put marks on the top of the paper for the center of the cpu and another mark for how long you want your thin grain of rice line to be. The bottom line is; use what works best for you.

    Here's an interesting thermal grease video:





    More test results:

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-tjmax-85-degrees-realtemp-q9650-prime95-fft-jpg
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-tjmax-85-degrees-realtemp-q9650-ibt-jpg
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    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-tjmax-85-degrees-realtemp-q9650-linx_5290mb-ram-test-jpg
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
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    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
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    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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    Default Re: Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock

    Ok, I don't fully understand what these mean but I'm sure you will...

    Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock-realtemp1-jpg
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