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    Windows 7 Home Premium.
    I found the issue !
    It's the PSU. I replaced the PSU with a Corsair AX860i and it seems to be working fine.
    I've now reconnected my previous OS SSD with the system and tried booting directly (without installing new copy of windows). It restarted a couple of times due to new chipset and devices etc but it works now ! Seems like the Sandforce SSD does ok for the moment....

    Proceeding with installing chipset drivers etc, once I recover my RAID 1 from the old set, I'll re-install a fresh copy of windows 7.
    Thanks for all your help so far guys. I'll post progress over the next week or 2 as I build, install and overclock.

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    Trying a bit of overclocking before my Win7 re-build and putting this thing back in the case.
    So far, I'm finding it difficult to push this beyond 4.1Ghz. I'm following the guide from this forum for z97x overclocking.
    Some results below:

    For all tests ->
    BCLK fixed at 100
    Mem scaled down to 1600 9-9-9-24 1.5v (Chip is Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x8GB 1866Mhz 9-10-9-27 1.5v)
    Uncore Multi at 34x
    VRIN LLC - Extreme
    VRIN Current protection - Extreme
    DDR current protection - Extreme
    PWM Phase Control- Extreme
    Testing Tools - Prime95 64 Small FFT, HWiNFO 64 and a Digital multimeter to read voltages from the board (GA-Z07x-SOC Force)

    Numbers in brackets are measured values using multimeter.
    4Ghz - Multiplier 40
    VRIN 1.800v
    Vcore 1.130v (1.139v)
    CPU Ring 1.100v (1.112v)
    Temperatures -> 75,73,69,66
    Successful run 1.5 hours


    For 4.2, first tried increasing only VRIN and Vcore to
    1.850v/1.140v
    1.900v/1.150v - Both failed within 20mins on Prime95
    Then I increase VRIN, Vcore and CPU Ring
    1.900v/1.160v/1.150v
    1.950v/1.170/1.150v
    1.950v/1.180v/1.160 at which point the test still failed after 70 mins
    Temperatures on the last set had reached 83,80,76,71.

    I'm not sure if I should go further with voltages, it's already past 80c. Cooler is an Corsair H80i and the entire setup is currently outside the case on my desk.
    Is it just a bad chip, or are my voltage combinations to blame ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec View Post
    Trying a bit of overclocking before my Win7 re-build and putting this thing back in the case. So far, I'm finding it difficult to push this beyond 4.1Ghz. I'm following the guide from this forum for z97x overclocking. Some results below: For all tests -> BCLK fixed at 100 Mem scaled down to 1600 9-9-9-24 1.5v (Chip is Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x8GB 1866Mhz 9-10-9-27 1.5v) Uncore Multi at 34x VRIN LLC - Extreme VRIN Current protection - Extreme DDR current protection - Extreme PWM Phase Control- Extreme Testing Tools - Prime95 64 Small FFT, HWiNFO 64 and a Digital multimeter to read voltages from the board (GA-Z07x-SOC Force) Numbers in brackets are measured values using multimeter. 4Ghz - Multiplier 40 VRIN 1.800v Vcore 1.130v (1.139v) CPU Ring 1.100v (1.112v) Temperatures -> 75,73,69,66 Successful run 1.5 hours For 4.2, first tried increasing only VRIN and Vcore to 1.850v/1.140v 1.900v/1.150v - Both failed within 20mins on Prime95 Then I increase VRIN, Vcore and CPU Ring 1.900v/1.160v/1.150v 1.950v/1.170/1.150v 1.950v/1.180v/1.160 at which point the test still failed after 70 mins Temperatures on the last set had reached 83,80,76,71. I'm not sure if I should go further with voltages, it's already past 80c. Cooler is an Corsair H80i and the entire setup is currently outside the case on my desk. Is it just a bad chip, or are my voltage combinations to blame ?
    Well your vcore is pretty low. If you hit a wall with the temps before you get stable that's the luck of the draw. You may get by with leaving the Vrin at Auto/1.8 for that low an OC. Try Vrin 1.8_Vring 1.1_Vcore 1.2 & keep an eye on the temps. I can run 4.5 with Vrin1.8_Vring1.06_Vcore1.245 but I have an exceptional 4770K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boondocks View Post
    Well your vcore is pretty low. If you hit a wall with the temps before you get stable that's the luck of the draw. You may get by with leaving the Vrin at Auto/1.8 for that low an OC. Try Vrin 1.8_Vring 1.1_Vcore 1.2 & keep an eye on the temps. I can run 4.5 with Vrin1.8_Vring1.06_Vcore1.245 but I have an exceptional 4770K.
    I've tried this - 1.2v was getting very high temps.
    I decided to use 41 multiplier and moved VRIN=1.800v, Vcore=1.160v and Ring=1.100v - In addition I also added 0.250v to System agent, CPU IO Analog and CPU IO Digital. I've left PCH Voltage & PCH IO at Auto for now.
    After running Prime95 for 2 hours, it's stable with temps at 75,73,68,65.
    While this was running, I stumbled across some articles debating weather Prime95 was a suitable test for Haswell and comparing it to AIDA64. Most of those threads recommend AIDA over Prime including in a video with an Asus rep. What's the go on this ?

    I decided to test myself as well - I ran AIDA64 FPU stress test and the temps are lower at 64,60,57,56. That does give me significant room for trying further overclocks.
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    Different people use different tests. Prime 95 can give higher temps, but instead of testing all fft's (which can get pretty hot), use 1344-1344 with about 90% of your memory. I would try 2 15 minute runs. If you can pass that you are fairly stable and can move on to other testing.
    Another test people seem to like -since it won't overheat your cpu- is x264. But you'll have to go to OCN to find it probably in the Haswell overclocking thread. AIDA is OK but it's pretty far down the ladder as far as stressing the cpu compared to P95.
    BTW when you use P95, use version 27.9, not the newer versions as they will cause even more heat due to AVX2 instructions.
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    I tried Prime95 1344K Custom test as you suggested some interesting results.
    It still passes - I ran it for 1 hour. Temps are lower than AIDA - 57,55,52,52 (AIDA was 64 max)

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec View Post
    I tried Prime95 1344K Custom test as you suggested some interesting results. It still passes - I ran it for 1 hour. Temps are lower than AIDA - 57,55,52,52 (AIDA was 64 max)
    Yes, I and others have found this is a good first stability test. Passing this doesn't necessarily mean you are 100% stable, but if it's off a bit it will either bluescreen or a worker will stop with an error. If you can find that x264 v2 test, people have been running it for several hours to help determine stability. edit: look over here Going deeper on the x264 v2 stress test
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    Thanks for the link, I will check it out soon.
    As for the 1344K test, yes, it does BSOD very quickly if it doesn't like something.
    Using this, now I've managed to clock 4.2Ghz using VRIN=1.900v, Vcore=1.180v and Ring remaining at 1.100v. I'm still using AIDA for temps and they are 67,61,58,55.

    Trying for 4.3Ghz now, proving more challenging - So far I have upped Vcore 1.190, 1.20, 1.21, 1.22 with VRIN at 1.9, 2.0 and 2.1. 1334k crashes in average of 2-3 mins.

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    Returned that new SSD I got and Upgraded my ancient 8800 GTX to a Gigabyte R9 280X OC !
    My old Vertex 3 SSD is working with this motherboard - despite some people reporting that old SSDs have issues with Haswell boards due to SATA standards.

    I've re-installed a fresh copy of windows 7 on the SSD, put the board back in the case and currently at 4.1Ghz running stability tests.
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    Hi Guys, been playing around with the OC a bit more... I have a question on Voltage offsets.
    With direct voltages I settled on 4.2Ghz using VRIN=1.800v, Vcore=1.195v, RING=1.100v and temps on P95 are 69/66/63/61.
    I read up on a couple of other forums, that instead of setting direct voltages, you can set the BIOS to 'Normal' and then play with offset voltages. This allows the system to idle at lower voltages and pushes up by the offset when max frequency is required.

    So I tried this, for the above setting, I set the VCore to 'Normal' which shows 1.100v and then set the offset to 0.095 expecting that the max it will reach is 1.195v under load.
    Before running P95, I could see the board was idling at 0.850vCore. After I ran P95, this shot up to 1.294v!
    Isn't this way to high for the offset I put in the BIOS ? I was expecting closer to 1.20v...

    Edit: Btw, this obviously pushed up the temps now at 76/73/68/65... Still stable though, but not really where I want to be with temps.
    Last edited by spec; 06-12-2014 at 12:53 PM.

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