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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    No errors or warnings with Prime 95. I'll play some game and edit this post in a few... Will probably be fine.

    http://i.imgur.com/a4z5o0L.png



    I captured the problem with browser. (Prime 95 WASN'T running during this)




    And then just when I was trying to post this, browser instantly crashed without a report, it didn't also report anything after I re-opened. Not sure if it's software related or not.

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I just received a BSOD during testing 4 RAMs with Prime 95. It was between 1 to 1.5 hours. I was also playing Football Manager 2015 during this test.

    Here is the cause of my BSOD:




    And here is the information about settings, taken before BSOD when first time I booted with 4 RAMs installed. Needless to say RAM frequency was 800MHz with optimised default BIOS settings just as before.



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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Your LinX results show a huge difference in GFlops scores. The results should be within 0.10 GFlops for all tests. I limit the time that Linux runs to 15 - 20 minutes by lowering the number of tests that are run to 3 or 4. LinX is a good preliminary stress test, but I've seen many successful LinX test runs where Prime95 tests will have errors. If I get an error while running LinX I don't bother with running any Prime95 tests. I'm surprised that your LinX scores varied quite a bit and were not in the 34 GFlops range.

    One problem I've found often occurs while stress testing with EIST, C1E or other C-state settings enabled. Before you start any benchmarks or stress tests, look at HWiNFO's Core #0, #1, #2, and #3 Clock values. If all four of these values are not close to maximum cpu speed immediately before you start a test, your cpu might not be running a full speed. If this happens the LinX scores will be much lower than normal or the number of tests completed for all Prime95 worker threads will differ quite a bit where two worker threads might complete many more tests than the other two worker threads. When this happens I see that two of the current Core # Clock values will show the full cpu speed and the other two Core # Clock values will be significantly lower. The confusing thing is that all four current Core # Usage values will show 100%.

    Which version of the Nvidia graphics driver are you using?
    A web search using: bsod 0x119 indicates that the problem might be due to the video graphics driver.
    I haven't seen others discuss the bsod 0x119 before and this might only happen while you are stress testing and running demanding graphics programs.

    Other than running HWiNFO, Core Temp and Task Manager, I never run additional programs while stress testing, but that's easy for me because I use my backup computer when I'm stress testing.

    See if you can boot and run with your memory at 800MHz with 4-4-4-12 memory timings.
    Repeat the MaxMemm2 benchmark, followed by gaming tests and then rerun the LinX and Prime95 stress tests.

    Is your MSI GTX 560 Ti Hawk overclocked?

    Is your browser version up to date?
    If you have additional browsers installed see if they have similar problems.

    When problems occur, run the windows Event Viewer and look for error messages that occurred just before the time of the problem.

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Can't cause of LinX results be the 800 MHz RAM frequency? Or did you maybe compare my stock clocked 2.66GHz to your over clocked 3.65GHz? You do also realize LinX results was when 3 stick was used? I can disable energy saving settings on BIOS if that's neccesary. But I hardly think it makes a difference.

    Aren't you supposed to search for the causing file? A search using watchdog.sys says "a recent hardware or software change can be cause of this", so I'm pretty sure this indicates 4th RAM.

    I don't think I'll be able to boot with CL4 when I'm having BSOD with CL5.

    My GPU is NOT overclocked beyond factory overclock. I'm using latest 344.48 WHQL drivers.

    Yes, my browser up to date. I also realized sometimes the tab titles stay un-updated. Say, when I close a tab and switch to another, even when I am seeing another tab's page, closed tab title stays there until I open a new tab or try to do a change at that area in any way. I have been using Firefox for a long time and I NEVER experienced such a thing before and there were times Firefox was -by software- much more unstable for me.

    I will try Event Viewer but as you said before in one of your messages, it's hard to find what you're looking for there.

    I can try running Prime 95 without running a game this time but it'll probably fail again. FM 2015 isn't even a GPU heavy game so IMO the problem is 99% caused by other hardware, specifically; RAMs.

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I never got a BSOD ever since that one BSOD. And I have been playing some game. What's the most demanding 6+ h test I can do on nights? Blend test? But how can I define the problem? I am assuming blend doesn't test GPU? If I do that and have no problems and then play some long game sessions, will it be enough?

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    6 mins in blend: http://i.imgur.com/Rg7HBoe.png

    6.5 hours in blend: http://i.imgur.com/2Y5mdbH.png

    I am assuming this is enough to say my system is stable now? I haven't played a one long game session yet, but yesterday I played a bit MOH: Warfighter for probably about 30 mins, as a graphics heavy game I think it should be enough?

    Should I now drop timings to CL4 or test more on gaming? I want to test more but if you think I should try to drop it, I can. What settings should I go for CL4? Just set manual timings and nothing else?

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I consider a system to be stable after running each of the following tests:
    1. 10 - 20 minute LinX stress test using 2048 or 4096MB of memory
    2. Prime95 Large FFT test for 8 hours
    3. Prime95 Small FFT test for 8 hours
    4. Prime95 Blend test for 8 hours


    After passing these tests, BSODs and system freezes should be rare occurrences.
    These errors can be caused by many things, none of which are necessarily related to your bios settings.
    On the Prime95 website GIMPS - Free Prime95 software downloads - PrimeNet, they provide a link to the following information:

    The Prime95 Wikipedia page has an excellent overview on using Prime95 to test your system and ensure it is working properly. The tips presented there should be helpful regarding how long to run the torture test and provide a solid guideline on how long to run the Prime95 stress test.
    (Prime95 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    Over the years, Prime95 has become extremely popular among PC enthusiasts and overclockers as a stability testing utility. It includes a "Torture Test" mode designed specifically for testing PC subsystems for errors in order to help ensure the correct operation of Prime95 on that system. This is important because each iteration of the Lucas-Lehmer depends on the previous one; if one iteration is incorrect, so will be the entire primality test.

    The stress-test feature in Prime95 can be configured to better test various components of the computer by changing the fast fourier transform (FFT) size. Three pre-set configurations are available: Small FFTs and In-place FFTs, and Blend. Small and In-place modes primarily test the FPU and the caches of the CPU, whereas the Blend mode tests everything, including the memory.

    By selecting Custom, the user can gain further control of the configuration. For example, by selecting 8-8 kB as the FFT size, the program stresses primarily the CPU. By selecting 2048-4096 kB and unchecking the "Run FFTs in-place" checkbox, providing the maximum amount of RAM free in the system, the program tests the memory and the chipset. If the amount of memory to use option is set too high, then the system will start using the paging file and the test will not stress the memory.

    On an absolutely stable system, Prime95 would run indefinitely. If an error occurs, at which point the stress test would terminate, this would indicate that the system may be unstable. There is an ongoing debate about terms "stable" and "Prime-stable", as Prime95 often fails before the system becomes unstable or crashes in any other application. This is because Prime95 is designed to subject the CPU to an incredibly intense workload, and to halt when it encounters even one minor error, whereas most normal applications do not stress the CPU anywhere near as much, and will continue to operate unless they encounter a fatal error.

    In the overclocking community, a rule of thumb is often used to determine how long to run Prime95: test the CPU (8 kB FFT) for 10 hours and the memory (4096 kB FFT) for 10 hours, and if the system passes, there is a high chance that it is stable. Twenty-four hours of testing is recommended to be sure, as errors may show up after 16 or more hours of testing (compared to, say, just four hours of testing). Moreover, a large proportion of system overclockers and enthusiasts favor Prime95 over other benchmarking suites because Prime95 pushes the CPU's floating point units extremely hard, causing the CPU to become extremely hot. In addition, Prime95 stresses a computer far more than the majority of software based torture-suites. The nature of this is because the operating system usually shuts down the floating-point unit when unused by other programs, whereas Prime95 is well-optimized to continuously and effectively thread the FPU, causing it to be deeply pipelined, thereby generating significantly more heat because of elevated power consumption under the massive workload conditions. In CPUs which are not adequately cooled, errors are likely to occur. Prime95 also constantly accesses main memory at up to 60 MB per second. This constant activity will detect memory problems that other programs will not.

    Lastly, power supply units of any machine running Prime95 are subject to the consistent ramifications of such harsh conditions. Power must be maintained clean, while providing adequate voltage, particularly to the CPU, RAM, and chipsets (mainboard chipsets such as the Northbridge where the memory controller may or may not reside; see Athlon 64 or Intel Core i7 for on-die memory controllers) to provide peak performance while maintaining stability. Cray Research used programs similar to Prime95 for over a decade for the purpose of stability testing.
    There is additional useful Prime95 information in the Playtool.com Prime95 tutorial link in my signature:

    Why are each of your Prime95 tests only running for 4 minutes instead of the default 15 minute setting for each FFT size?

    Kingston vs OCZ memory

    It sounds like you are having better luck with your OCZ memory and that the Kingston HyperX kit seems to give you problems even when you are only trying to use the 2 x 2GB Kingston kit. I have used my HyperX kits for several years with no problems or issues. My HyperX 8GB setup uses the same settings as when I'm using my 8GB OCZ Reaper PC2-1066 kits and the only difference is that the Reaper memory can run at slightly higher speeds, but this is a non-issue for me. The memory performance is excellent with 5-5-4-12 memory timings in the 950 - 1000MHz range with cpu speeds that range from 3.65 - 4.10 GHz.

    You will probably need to run with four identical 2GB memoroy modules from two 2x2GB memory kits where all of the modules are from the same manufacturer and have the same part numbers. Higher end ddr2-800 kits rated at 4-4-4-12 can often overclock almost as well as higher end ddr2-1066 kits rated at 5-5-5-15. Memory kits rated with looser timings (i.e. higher numbers) will offer somewhat lower overall memory performance and probably will not overclock as well.

    I've had no problems running each of my 4 x 2GB HyperX and Reaper memory setups up to 1080 - 1100MHz speeds.
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    The attached screen-shots show some benchmark results with my Q9550 set to 2.666GHz (8.0 x 333MHz) and 3.20GHz (8.0 x 401MHz) with different memory speeds and timings. Your Q9400 has half of the L2 cache as my Q9550 and I would expect your results to be a bit lower.

    I did not perform any Prime95 stress tests on any of these setups and some of these settings might not be fully stable.

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    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
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    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R



    Still not good, huh?

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Still not good?

    I'd describe it as rotten.

    Take a look at the attached screen-shot and see if it applies to your results.

    Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R-linx-poop-c1ed-eist-2-cores-jpg

    note: On my system, this is not very common, probably because I watch and wait for all 4 of HWiNFO's Core # Clock readings to be close to the cpu overclock speed before starting any benchmark.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
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    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
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    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
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    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
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