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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Wow I didn't expect this.


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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Your Cpu Termination (aka VTT) is set to 1.20 and your VTT bios setting is probably set to AUTO.
    Set VTT to 1.22 which is one step higher and then rerun the Prime95 Small FFT test.

    The recommendation is that VTT should be at least 0.05 volts lower than the Cpu Vcore setting.

    With your current Cpu Vcore = 1.31250 volts, if needed, VTT can safely be set up to 1.26 volts.

    Prim95 v28.5
    This version has much lower default time to run each FFT test loop where each loop will run for 3 or 4 minutes.
    The default loop time in version 27.9 is 15 minutes for each test loop.
    I don't know why the default test loop time was changed.
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Sorry I have been very busy this past week. Here are the result for Small FFT test:



    Fan speed is higher for this test only. Naturally temps are better. I'll try cleaning cooler next time. Or I'll change the fan (not cooler) with a new one but not sure how much impact it'll do to performance at 1000 RPM. Sure it's old but I'm not sure if it is not performing for a fan of such size and speed.

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I haven't replied earlier because I thought that you would repeat all three of the Prime95 stress tests after you changed the VTT setting after the failed Small FFT test. I don't see this as a big deal as long as you plan on overclocking higher.

    I'm bothered by your last two MaxxMem2 posts where the cpu and memory information was replaced with the multiple double asterisk (**) displays.
    Also, the "improved" memory latency shown in MaxxMem2 is not accurate.

    There is still a problem with your LinX scores that are lower than they should be and each of the GFlops scores vary by a significant amount.

    The attached screen-shot shows my results when I ran my Q9550 at 3.2 GHz (8.0 x 402 MHz) with 5-5-5-18 primary memory timings.
    I wasn't able to complete either of the LinX tests when using 3072 or 4096 MB of memory in the LinX test.

    note: My Q9550 has 12 MB of L2 cache and your Q9400 has 6 MB of L2 cache, so with the same cpu speeds my cpu should be slightly faster, probably up to about 5%.

    I'm pretty sure that you will have an easier time overclocking and have better performance if you don't use mixed memory brands.
    If you sell one of your kits and buy an identical matching kit for your remaining memory, your net cost should be minimal.
    As I recall your OCZ memory kit seemed to be "better".

    Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R-f11d-q9550-ep45-ud3p-3-216ghz-804mhz-5-5-5-18-enhance-turbo-linx-maxxmem2-et6-memset-cpu-jpg
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    The following test results are from my fully tested and stable 3.50 GHz (from post #42) settings where I only made two changes:
    • Cpu bus speed was lowered from 412 MHz to 402 MHz
    • Cpu multiplier was lowered from 8.5 to 8.0
    • The 4-4-4-10 primary timings were not changed from my 3.50 GHz bios profile

    If you look closely you will see that several of the bios settings are different in each of my 3.216 GHz test profiles.

    In the second test I had no problem running the 3072 and 4096 MB LinX tests.

    I am not suggesting that these settings will work with your system because each system needs to be tweaked individually.

    The main purpose of this post is to show how LinX GFlops scores are usually higher when the amount of memory selected for the LinX test is higher.

    Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R-f11d-q9550-ep45-ud3p-3-216ghz-804mhz-4-4-4-10-enhance-turbo-linx-maxxmem2-et6-memset-cpu-jpg
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    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Afraid my heart wouldn't survive another used hardware exchange. I have to make do with what I have in hand.

    Is there even anything I can do about performance? Maybe somehow my system is not showing correctly. I don't know what to say. I think if there was a problem with my hardware it would show as instability.

    I can just try things like 3DMark and compare it to yours... In the end daily use is what's important, right? If that's fine why worry about it? I'm still open to get to the bottom of the problem but I'm assuming you'd tell if there was anything I can do/check.

    What's next about rest of the topic? Will you give me new settings, or...? Thanks.

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    With your current settings, I recommend running a temporary test setup with only one memory kit installed in the #1 and #3 memory slots.
    Run MaxxMem2 and Linux to see if the benchmark scores are closer to my results.
    With 4GB of memory installed the amount of memory tested in LinX will probably need to be less than 2048 MB.
    This should tell us if using both memory kits at the same time is causing degraded performance.
    You don't need to run any Prime95 stress tests with this temporary setup.

    Always unplug the psu's A.C. power cable from the wall outlet or back of the psu before you remove or install any hardware.

    Make sure that you only have one version of MaxxMem2 installed on your system.

    We can continue with higher overclocks until we see that core temperatures are getting too high.
    Please post your your current bios template settings when you are ready for the next overclocking step.

    The final step will be to overclock your MSI GTX 560 Ti Hawk to provided better performance while gaming.
    I overclocked my MSI N460GTX Hawk video cards (single and SLI) 14% for a noticeable performance increase when running graphics benchmark programs.

    Do you think turning on EIST and C1E can effect gaming performance or is it benchmark-only?
    This will be easy enough to test while running graphics benchmarks or gaming. MSI AfterBurner and GPU-z both have saved logging options that can be viewed later. AfterBurner's on screen display (OSD) can also be enabled in many games and benchmarks.





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    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I don't know what to say, my laziness has no boundries...
    Well at least I managed to not make you wait longer! I didn't even know I was going to post this today an hour ago!

    Here is my one kit (original, OCZs - plugged into 1&3) test results:



    Does this mean my recently-bought RAMs have no performance issues and all RAMs are working fine together? But if so... what is the problem? Or is there one? Can we test my system with a more organic test? A video game fps result or something like Heaven?

    I can tell you, I get around 30 fps in Far Cry 4 at High settings at 1080p with 8GB 804MHz 5-5-5-18 RAMs and 3.21GHz CPU. But it varies between 20-40, goes below 30 frequently but I just play it that way so far 30 hours in now.

    Alien Isolation is 60 fps solid. I can't play Evil Within tough, even at lowest at 640x480 I get 20 fps, but that's the only game I have problems with. I hear people play the game with similar systems but I should probably reinstall the game using a different "source", if you know what I mean.

    I haven't been able to play Dragon Age Inquisition yet, I suspect I'll have problems with it, I hear it gives hard time to GTX 660's...

    Please tell me if there's anything else I should do before we continue... But I hope you won't force me too much. I don't want to make you wait another month!

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Aaand now i can't boot.

    After trying to replug rest i had endless beeping errors no matter how much i try. I did unplug power before i inserted them. Then i was able to boot with 3 rams only to see shockingly 3.5gb usable rams. Then i removed one, again back with 4gbs. I then did set bios to all stock auto, another shocking revelation! I still can't boot, and this isn't even the best part. I see a message saying "scanning bios image on hard drive". And all i did was to set optimized settings we defined before. Now i can't boot even with one single stick. I either get beeping errors or the message. I don't even know if i can boot at all and flashing the bios is even more hellish... How the hell did this happen? I did nothing wrong. My system was never unstable... I'll just unplug the bios battery and sleep now. Hopefully i can get it running tomorrow. Maybe getting beeping errors indicates i can still save the bios, let's hope so...

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    OK I'm back with 4 sticks, Dual 8GB 804MHz 5-5-5-18 w/ 3.21GHz CPU.

    How? After leaving the battery out, I booted w/ 1 stick OCZ in slot #1, then I added a Kingston to slot #2, and then another Kingston to #4. I figured Kingstons first might be a good idea. Then dropped in the last stick and successfully booted at safe settings. Then came the terrifying part, luckily possibly after a successful boot my chances of getting another successful boot with proper settings risen. And thankfully that successfully happened.

    This probably took me around 6 hours in total. Granted I didn't all of the time work on it, it occupied my mind and it was a nightmare.

    Now tricky question is how do I seperate a pseudo-failed boot like this from a no-go bad settings? In the future you will ask me to change my BIOS settings and we may never reach 1066 CL5 w/ 3.2GHz CPU or the equal performance with this.

    But possibly the plus side is without removing any hardware there is a good chance this will never happen. Then again removing hardware shouldn't've been a problem either. There is no logical reason to. You said "more often than not it won't work" in one of your posts but this situation right here NEVER let me boot even once with 4 sticks before I did what I described above.

    Dem quantum mechanics... always getting in the way... Joke aside I hope you have something in your mind to deal with all of this, otherwise I'm screwed. I rather not do hardware changes unless absolutely I must.

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