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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Glad to hear that your bios was not corrupted.

    It sounds like the problem might have been caused by one memory module that wasn't fully seated in the memory slot.

    Sometimes it makes a difference when memory modules are placed in different memory slots, even when all four modules are identical.

    With two identical memory kits, I use the following labels on each module:
    kit #1: A1 and A3
    kit #2: B2 and B4
    where the modules from kit #1 go into slots 1 and 3 and the the B2 and B4 modules are installed in slots 2 and 4.
    By labeling each module I can be sure that I can always put all of the memory modules back into the "correct" slots.

    The important thing is for you to use label names that you are most comfortable with.

    Your MaxxMem2 results with the OCZ kit look about right with the 5-5-5-18 timings.

    With your mixed memory kits you probably will not be able to use optimal memory timings and/or the lowest possible tRD settings but this will not lower the overall performance very much.

    Your overall performance will be better when running the highest stable cpu speed and this will also improve the memory performance.

    LinX or IBT scores are higher with higher cpu speeds where the increased scores are proportional to the increased cpu speed.
    Right now it looks like your LinX score is about 15% lower than it should be.

    You might find that you need to change Dram Performance Enhance from Turbo to Standard and you will probably need to manually set tRD for each memory channell to the desired value.


    From page 108 in your motherboard user manual:

    Q: What do the beeps emitted during the POST mean?
    A: The following Award BIOS beep code descriptions may help you identify possible computer problems.
    (For reference only.)
    • 1 short: System boots successfully
    • 2 short: CMOS setting error
    • 1 long, 1 short: Memory or motherboard error
    • 1 long, 2 short: Monitor or graphics card error
    • 1 long, 3 short: Keyboard error
    • 1 long, 9 short: BIOS ROM error
    • Continuous long beeps: Graphics card not inserted properly
    • Continuous short beeps: Power error

    BTW, continuous short beeps can also occur when the MCH Core setting is too high or too low.
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I always get continous short beeps, I didn't feel it was neccesary to mention. I didn't switch kits but I might've plugged Kingstons in different slots, good mention. I'll try switching them if this happens in the future. And I'll consider labeling.

    I don't think they weren't fully seated. I tried at least 3 times, two of them couldn't've possibly been not fully seated.

    If you think they can't give me false errors without changing hardware that's fine but I have a feeling we'll have hard time reaching 1066 @ 3.2GHz or more. I'd like to be proven wrong.

    As you explained I'd very much like to see we OC my CPU to 3.6 or 3.8GHz, that's actually been a long time dream for me and 3.2GHz CPU frequency is bottlenecking me on some games pretty visibly but hopefully first we can get back to my performance when I had 4GB RAMs.

    Is there anything I should do now?

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    First things first; there is no guarantee that any 4x2GB DDR2 memory setup will be stable at or near 1066MHz, even with one of the best memory kits using four identical modules. Sometimes the best that could be done was around 950 to about 1000MHz. It often depends on how lucky you are with the quality of your components such as your cpu, motherboard memory and/or power supply. If any of these components are somewhat below average, this will have a negative effect on your highest possible overclock.

    Run several gaming benchmarks with the same FSB and different memory speeds to see if there is a noticeable performance difference.

    With your current 402MHz FSB, your only valid memory speed options are:
    • 402MHz x 2.00B = 804MHz
    • 402MHz x 2.00D = 804MHz
    • 402MHz x 2.40B = 965MHz
    • 402MHz x 2.66D = 1069MHz

    Look at my 4.012GHz and 4.20GHz LinX and MaxxMem2 results and you can see that the LinX and MaxxMem2 scores were about 5% higher at 4.20GHz even though the memory speeds were 944MHz and 988MHz. My 450MHz FSB MaxxMem2 results with 1080MHz and 3.825GHz weren't anything special.





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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Should I just go for 402MHz x 2.40B = 965MHz ?

    No further voltage adjustments needed?

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Quote Originally Posted by Prequel View Post
    Should I just go for 402MHz x 2.40B = 965MHz ?

    No further voltage adjustments needed?
    Hard to say.

    You didn't post any screen-shots that show what current voltages you are using and if you are using DRAM Performance Enhance = Turbo or Standard.

    It's always best to include the following windows in a cropped screen-shot to avoid any confusion each time you make any changes:
    • Cpu-z CPU
    • Memset window showing both memory channels and SPD
    • EasyTune 6 --> Advance --> Voltage
    • MaxxMem2 results

    It also helps to include the bios template that accurately shows your bios settings.

    With 8GB of memory, the LinX stress test should use 3072 or 4096 MiB of memory for a 3-loop test.
    If LinX has any errors, your system isn't minimally stable and Prime95 should not be run.

    LinX is a good preliminary stress test, but I don't like to run it for more than 10 - 20 minutes.

    The AUTO setting for DRAM Voltage might work OK or you might need to set the voltage to 2.00 - 2.10 volts.
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
    Robust Graphics Booster -------- : [Auto]
    CPU Clock Ratio ----------------- : [8]
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ------------ : [0.0]
    CPU Frequency ---------- : 3216MHz
    Clock Chip Control
    Standard Clock Control
    CPU Host Clock Control --------- : [Enabled]
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ------ : [402] <--- in the past, some members reported problems when using 400MHz
    PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) --- : [101]
    C.I.A.2 -------------------------- : [Disabled]
    DRAM Performance Control
    Performance Enhance ------------- : [Turbo] <--- use Standard if your system will not boot
    Extreme Memory Profile - (XMP) -- : [Disabled]
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch --------- : [Auto]
    System Memory Multiplier --------- : [2.00B]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) ----- : 804MHz
    DRAM Timing Selectable ---------- : [5-5-5-18]

    CPU Termination 1.220 V
    CPU PLL 1.570 V
    Rest Auto

    I forgot to check advanced timings. I "think" tRead is 9, as that seems to be last number I mentioned in my posts.




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    I set 2.40B to get 965MHz, I managed to boot (nothing else changed): I haven't done any stress tests yet, I'll try something after I post this. Please tell me if I should change anything before that.


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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    I am playing Far Cry 4 now, for about 15 mins, and 3 hours of uptime. Aside from no errors, I have amazing fps improvement in Far Cry 4! I was having 24-30 fps, maybe 35 fps at very brief times, mostly going below 30, now I almost never get fps below 30! I only get below 30 when I look at a great scenery on top of a hill or so. And I even get 40-45 fps in some situations for good amount of time and this never happened before in this game! I can't believe to see such an improvement. I guess RAMs were bottlenecking me on this one.

    I wish I had 2GB VRAM. Lots of games could've run so much smoother. :(

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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    Everything looks OK.

    The SPD shows the programmed settings for the OCZ memory (DIMM#1).
    If you select DIMM#2 or DIMM#4, the displayed SPD settings will show the programmed settings for your Kingston memory.

    Static tRead Value (aka tRD) is the same as Performance Level in Memset.

    In Memset, some of the the Other Timings confirm that DRAM Performance Enhance = Turbo is set in your bios and this is OK.

    With 964MHz, Dram Voltage = AUTO has increased the voltage setting from 1.90 to 2.00 volts which is fine.
    The slight increase in the MaxxMem2 results using 964MHz was expected but your gaming performance will probably feel the same.

    MaxxMem2 scores with memory speeds at 1069MHz should be higher but gaming performance should also feel the same.

    After your current stress testing try increasing cpu speed by about 100MHz by increasing FSB (CPU Host Frequency) from 402MHz to 414MHz.

    Memory speed options will then be 828MHz with 2.00 x 414MHz or 994MHz with 2.40 x 414MHz.

    Have fun!!
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    With my P35-DS4 I ran SLI @ 16/4 when running HyperSLI.

    You might be able boot run an SLI setup using HyperSLI with x8/x8.

    **edit**
    The EP45-DS3 only has one pci-e slot and can't run an SLI or Crossfire setup.
    The EP45-DS4 and higher end motherboards should be able to run an SLI setup using HyperSLI.
    Last edited by profJim; 01-07-2015 at 11:26 AM.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
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    Default Re: Running 8 GB of RAMs with EP45-DS3R

    994MHz with 2.40B x 414MHz = BSOD ("whea uncorrectable error") in about 5 mins of LinX
    828MHz with 2.00B x 414MHz = Error in LinX (stopped unexpectedly (not enough memory?)) in about 1-2 mins of LinX.

    There was enough memory. I tested with 4096.

    Here's the log:

    Intel(R) LINPACK 64-bit data - LinX 0.6.5

    Current date/time: Sun Jan 04 18:27:56 2015

    CPU frequency: 3.310 GHz
    Number of CPUs: 1
    Number of cores: 4
    Number of threads: 4

    Parameters are set to:

    Number of tests: 1
    Number of equations to solve (problem size) : 23118
    Leading dimension of array : 23128
    Number of trials to run : 3
    Data alignment value (in Kbytes) : 4

    Maximum memory requested that can be used=4277851488, at the size=23118

    =================== Timing linear equation system solver ===================

    Size LDA Align. Time(s) GFlops Residual Residual(norm) Check

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